# Star Trek: Enterprise **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 24, 2014, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-enterprise/686858 "2014-04-24T12:46:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2014, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-enterprise/686858/81 "2014-04-26T12:31:29Z")
Tucker’s failed romances with alien women are becoming a recurring theme. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2014, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-enterprise/686858/82 "2014-04-26T12:43:16Z")
> [@AClockworkMelon](#): > > Tucker’s failed romances with alien women are becoming a recurring theme. 😃 The Anti-Kirk. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2014, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-enterprise/686858/83 "2014-04-26T12:48:53Z")
Tucker: “What if she gets hurt? What’re you gonna do then? Program a _holographic doctor_?” ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2014, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-enterprise/686858/84 "2014-04-26T15:13:38Z")
Spock was never green, he was yellow because of the copper in his blood. (Originally, he was supposed to be red, but tests showed how phoney that makeup looked on film.) I’ve already speculated on the reasons for Tuvok’s pigmentation elsewhere. :rolleyes: Skin color aside, and with the exception of Selar in _ **TNG** _ and T’Pol in _ **ENT** _, I cannot recall a realistic Vulcan in any of the post-_ **TOS/TAS** _ Treks. Both Spock and Sarek were, of course, in _ **TNG** _ as well, but they were among the original Vulcans, who included Stonn, T’Pring, and T’Pau. They all had their roles down pat, but every other guest actor seems to have played theirs with way too much emotion and not enough stoicism. I’ve never particularly cared for the way Romulans were depicted in later series (or even in the third season of _ **TOS** _) either, but that’s another issue. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2014, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-enterprise/686858/85 "2014-04-26T16:07:22Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > The point is the lyrics weren’t written with the series in mind. If you think they’re appropriate, that’s fine. When the series premiered, though, many fans felt the theme didn’t resonate as well as the Voyager theme, for example, which was original. But like I said, if you’re OK with a recycled Diane Warren pop song for a theme, that’s fine. I didn’t intend to threadshit. I was just raising a point that many other fans considered valid. Yeah, and the theme from _TNG_ was recycled from an incredibly boring movie, but I’m glad you at least didn’t have bad intentions. I don’t know who Diane Warren is. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2014, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-enterprise/686858/86 "2014-04-26T17:22:30Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Yeah, and the theme from _TNG_ was recycled from an incredibly boring movie, but I’m glad you at least didn’t have bad intentions. > I don’t know who Diane Warren is. At least it was recycled from a **Star Trek** movie. Diane Warren is a writer of insipid pop music for acts whose careers have jumped the shark. Some of her tunes are “Look Away” by Chicago, “I Don’t Wanna Miss A Thing” by Aerosmith, and “Nothing’s Gonna Stop Us Now” by Starship. No discussion of \* Enterprise\* would be complete without picking apart the [theme](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_of_the_Heart#Reception_3): > [@](#): > > Following the pilot episode of Star Trek: Enterprise, “Broken Bow”, and the debut of the song as the series’ theme tune, the reception among Star Trek fans was mostly negative. Such was the response, that online petitions were formed and a protest held outside Paramount Studios against the use of the song. One petition stated that “We wish to express our unmitigated disgust with the theme song that has been selected for the new ‘Enterprise’ series, it is not fit to be scraped off the bottom of a Klingon’s boot.” Actor Simon Pegg, who played engineer Montgomery Scott in Star Trek and Star Trek Into Darkness later said that he had never watched Enterprise due to the song, which he described as “dreadful soft-rock” and “probably the most hideous Star Trek moment in history”. The song was mentioned in the review of the Enterprise first season DVD set by DVD Talk. It was called “sappy”, and the reviewer said that it “never felt appropriate and serves only to undercut the emotional strength of the images on screen”. I didn’t go to the extremes of picketing or never watching the show, but I would have preferred music like the theme from the mirror episodes. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2014, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-enterprise/686858/87 "2014-04-26T19:31:59Z")
I recorded it from a satellite feed and could fast forward through the theme, save the mirror episodes. 🙂 They went to a digital and hence encrypted satellite feed to save money the last season. My local affiliate cut parts of the pilot to add commercials. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2014, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-enterprise/686858/88 "2014-04-26T22:00:12Z")
“It’s a dry heat.” ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2014, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-enterprise/686858/89 "2014-04-26T22:03:36Z")
Huh. I’ve just lost some respect for Simon Pegg. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2014, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-enterprise/686858/90 "2014-04-26T22:06:29Z")
I’ve never been more proud of him. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2014, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-enterprise/686858/91 "2014-04-26T22:11:55Z")
I agree with Simon Pegg. The song is sentimental disposable pop shit and had no business getting anywhere near Star Trek. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-enterprise/686858/92 "2014-04-27T00:49:00Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I recorded it from a satellite feed and could fast forward through the theme, save the mirror episodes. 🙂 > They went to a digital and hence encrypted satellite feed to save money the last season. > My local affiliate cut parts of the pilot to add commercials. Thank goodness for fast forward. I hardly ever watch intros after I’ve seen them a few times. Gotta love Youtube though. [In a Mirror, Darkly](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfbsZRbwbJ4) theme! ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-enterprise/686858/93 "2014-04-27T02:01:33Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Thank goodness for fast forward. I hardly ever watch intros after I’ve seen them a few times. > > Gotta love Youtube though. [In a Mirror, Darkly](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfbsZRbwbJ4) theme! Dude! You rule! Here is your agonizer back. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-enterprise/686858/94 "2014-04-27T02:19:53Z")
“Is this what humans refer to as… feeling sorry for themselves?” ---
**Author:** ![TaoPilot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/77aa72/32.png) [@TaoPilot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TaoPilot)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-enterprise/686858/95 "2014-04-27T17:30:59Z")
> [@Shakes](#): > > The one part I don’t get is what’s up with all the 1950’s nostalgia? Heck, they even act like they’re stuck in the 50’s. Especially Trip, with his Small Town Country Boy persona: “Awe shucks! I think a girl likes me. Should I hold hands with her on the first date? Golly Gee!” Okay, that last bit was hyperbole, but you get the point. I wonder, since TOS had such a 60’s feel to it and TNG had an 80’s/90’s feel to it, if this was an attempt to help make it feel more like Enterprise was set in an earlier era. ---
**Author:** ![BrianJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/54ee81/32.png) [@BrianJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrianJ)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-enterprise/686858/96 "2014-04-27T18:30:42Z")
> [@AClockworkMelon](#): > > This isn’t the 1960s series, so yes, it does. As already mentioned they managed to paint Data’s neck and there has been much, much better makeup work on all the non-vulcans (I mean they had those aliens that had scales all over their bodies in Unexpected, it’d be as if their scales just ended at their jawline despite their confusion over what skin is :p). Either make it not obvious that the makeup ends right at the jawline or don’t use the green makeup at all. I don’t particularly care if vulcans are “supposed” to look green or not. T’Pol and Tuvok aren’t green and it doesn’t bother me. Noticeably shoddy makeup work on a show that otherwise has decent production value does. It’s not a huge deal (vulcans aren’t in every episode) but it could have been so easily avoided. Cool beans for anyone who couldn’t see anything out of place on their televisions, but I see it like black and white on my computer. Given the frequency of seeing skin on T’Pol I’m not surprised they didn’t keep her makeup consistent. heh Seriously if you are criticizing the production quality, I have no quibble about that. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-enterprise/686858/97 "2014-04-27T18:48:56Z")
As for the theme. Considered just as music, it kind of blew. But add the visuals montage and it worked for me. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2014, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-enterprise/686858/98 "2014-04-27T20:34:01Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > As for the theme. Considered just as music, it kind of blew. But add the visuals montage and it worked for me. The montage was indeed cool, but not as cool as the mirror universe montage. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2014, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-enterprise/686858/99 "2014-04-28T04:32:20Z")
Singularity was a pretty good episode. Throughout my viewing of this show all the way back to early in season one I’ve had the feeling that Doc Phlox had a somewhat sinister presence that I couldn’t shake. He’s obviously one of the good guys but I still get the feeling that I’d be somewhat frightened of him in real life. They turned that up to 11 in this episode to great effect. I guess I’ll have to watch Deep Space 9 when I’m done with Enterprise. That’s another one I’ve never seen a single episode of, though I know more about it from other sources so I wouldn’t be going in completely cold like with Enterprise. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2014, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-enterprise/686858/100 "2014-04-28T04:35:27Z")
I like Doc Phlox. He has an elder species presence about him that makes Vulcans seem childish. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-enterprise/686858.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-enterprise/686858.md?page=6)