# Star Trek: Generations **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 5, 2005, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/306950 "2005-06-05T01:07:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2005, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/306950/1 "2005-06-05T01:07:35Z")
So how exactly do Kirk and Picard leave the Nexus and arrive on the planet where they confront Soran? Just by riding off on horseback into a blob of light special effect? I’m not buying it. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2005, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/306950/2 "2005-06-05T01:52:13Z")
I think the point was that since the Nexus magically gives you everything you’ve always wanted, the only way to get out is to choose to give it up. Or something. It was cheesy. But then again, that’s Star Trek. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2005, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/306950/3 "2005-06-05T02:12:54Z")
> [@friedo](#): > > choose to give it up. I believe Guinan says something to that effect. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2005, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/306950/4 "2005-06-05T02:15:25Z")
They borrowed God’s spaceship. It’s really fast. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2005, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/306950/5 "2005-06-05T02:20:08Z")
G-d is omnipresent, traveling at warp 10 as it were, existing everywhere at once. Which has _got_ to piss off some folks in the girl’s locker room. ---
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2005, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/306950/6 "2005-06-05T06:52:32Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > They borrowed God’s spaceship. It’s really fast. Why would _God_, need a _starship_? (sorry, I couldn’t resist) ---
**Author:** ![Snooooopy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Snooooopy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snooooopy)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2005, 8:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/306950/7 "2005-06-05T08:19:32Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > G-d is omnipresent, traveling at warp 10 as it were, existing everywhere at once. > > Which has _got_ to piss off some folks in the girl’s locker room. God owns an Infinite Improbability Drive? ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2005, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/306950/8 "2005-06-05T13:46:35Z")
> [@Snooooopy](#): > > God owns an Infinite Improbability Drive? By Jove! I think you’ve got it. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2005, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/306950/9 "2005-06-05T13:54:48Z")
> [@randwill](#): > > So how exactly do Kirk and Picard leave the Nexus and arrive on the planet where they confront Soran? By answering the telephone. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2005, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/306950/10 "2005-06-05T13:56:40Z")
> [@Bryan Ekers](#): > > By answering the telephone. And then reversing the charges. Or the polarity, or something… ---
**Author:** ![Diceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Diceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diceman)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2005, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/306950/11 "2005-06-05T18:59:52Z")
Jeez, don’t you people know _anything_ about Star Trek? They had Geordi re-route the antimatter stream from the tachyon matrix through the main deflector dish, while Data separated the saucer section and emitted a polarized muon pulse on all epsilon-neutral frequencies. I mean, duh. Seriously, the ending of that movie made no sense at all. To add to the confusion, when Picard exited the Nexus and returned to the planet, shouldn’t there have been a second Picard, the one who hadn’t yet entered the Nexus? ---
**Author:** ![brianjedi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@brianjedi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brianjedi)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2005, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/306950/12 "2005-06-05T20:00:35Z")
This was brought up somewhere after the movie came out, and I’ve always wondered about it myself: If the Nexus will create whatever you want, how do we know that Picard and Kirk ever actually left? Couldn’t the Nexus have made them think they were on Veridian III and let them defeat Soran? This means that Insurrection and Nemesis never happened, by the way. Unfortunately, the same is true for First Contact. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2005, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/306950/13 "2005-06-05T21:06:15Z")
:eek: Why, that would make everything in Star Trek a mere fiction! I like the reasoning, tho. If Picard never leaves the Nexus, than there was no first contact, no Starfleet, no Captain Jonathon Archer of the NX-01, no Federation, no April, Pike, Kirk, Decker, Spock of the of the NCC-1701, no noticing of Picard by Q, no wormhole acquisition, no Wandering Jew adventures of the Voyager crew, no creation of Moriarity or other sentient holgrams, etc, etc… None of it ever happened because the Borg got to Earth first. So, everything we’ve ever seen in all the series and movies (Trek Doper threads, too) are simply some Borg network day dreaming. Take THAT, Berman! ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2005, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/306950/14 "2005-06-05T21:43:29Z")
Well, at least that means that we were all correct when we decided that TATV never happened. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2005, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/306950/15 "2005-06-05T23:04:43Z")
That interpretation doesn’t hold because Soran was in the Nexus a good eighty years before Picard was but was taken out of it, showing it’s possible to leave. Plus, the Borg Incursion in _First Contact_ was referenced in an episode of _Deep Space Nine_, confirming its validity. ---
**Author:** ![brianjedi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@brianjedi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brianjedi)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2005, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/306950/16 "2005-06-06T00:05:06Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > That interpretation doesn’t hold because Soran was in the Nexus a good eighty years before Picard was but was taken out of it, showing it’s possible to leave. > > Plus, the Borg Incursion in _First Contact_ was referenced in an episode of _Deep Space Nine_, confirming its validity. Soran was forcibly removed by the Enterprise-B’s transporter. Picard and Kirk “decided” to leave. Therefore, everything that happens after that point never happened, including the events seen adn referenced to on DS9, Voyager and Enterprise. First contact was made with the Vulcans, but not as depicted in the movie, since the movie didn’t actually happen. The events of Enterprise didn’t happen because they’re directly based on the first contact story in the movie First Contact. There, I just fixed the Berman-Braga era of Trek. What do I win? ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2005, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/306950/17 "2005-06-06T00:38:24Z")
> [@brianjedi](#): > > There, I just fixed the Berman-Braga era of Trek. What do I win? A cookie! Check your cache. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2005, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/306950/18 "2005-06-06T01:46:26Z")
> [@brianjedi](#): > > Soran was forcibly removed by the Enterprise-B’s transporter. Picard and Kirk “decided” to leave. Therefore, everything that happens after that point never happened, including the events seen adn referenced to on DS9, Voyager and Enterprise. First contact was made with the Vulcans, but not as depicted in the movie, since the movie didn’t actually happen. > > The events of Enterprise didn’t happen because they’re directly based on the first contact story in the movie First Contact. > > There, I just fixed the Berman-Braga era of Trek. What do I win? If one can be removed by force then it’s entirely possible one can leave of their own volition as well. If you choose to believe that the Nexus holds onto whomever it captures though, the more logical explanation is that the _TNG_ movies and _Enterprise_, as it is based on events in _First Contact_, were all delusions of Soran’s mind but \*DS9 \* and _VGR_, having little to nothing to do with any of the four movies, all unfolded exactly as they were shown. No Sovereign class starship has been shown outside of the last three movies and the limited TNG cameos on the other two shows never made mention of any of the events post-_Generations_ and so the argument could be made that the universes are distinct assuming you want to argue this line of reasoning. ---
**Author:** ![wolf\_meister](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf_meister/32/15202_2.png) [@wolf\_meister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolf_meister)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2005, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/306950/19 "2005-06-06T02:00:14Z")
**Diceman** \* They had Geordi re-route the antimatter stream from the tachyon matrix through the main deflector dish, while Data separated the saucer section and emitted a polarized muon pulse on all epsilon-neutral frequencies. I mean, duh.\* Just a small nitpick. They couldn’t have used that technique because it was first discovered decades later at the Daystrom Institute while conducting advanced experiments in sub-space research. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2005, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/306950/20 "2005-06-06T02:07:47Z")
> [@wolf\_meister](#): > > Just a small nitpick. They couldn’t have used that technique because it was first discovered decades later at the Daystrom Institute while conducting advanced experiments in sub-space research. He’s right, Diceman. What you describe would create a serious breach in continuity. 😃 [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/306950.md?page=2)