# Star Trek: Generations **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 12, 2010, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/528751 "2010-02-12T18:41:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![FordTaurusSHO94](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f07891/32.png) [@FordTaurusSHO94](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FordTaurusSHO94)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/528751/1 "2010-02-12T18:41:42Z")
We’ve got a Nemesis thread, so why not? I like Generations and have it in my top 5 for Star Trek movies. Some things I like: The Enterprise B scenes The new Enterprise D bridge and the way the ship looks in HD Leaving right before the shock wave reaches the ship Stellar Cartography Enterprise D crash Some things I don’t like: Soran’s rocket leaves the planet and hits the star in about 5 seconds. Is it traveling at warp 9? You can leave the Nexis at any time you want and show up anywhere in your past? Picard should go back to where he can save his family from the fire and Kirk should go back to the E-B and and tell Soran to do whatever Kirk was doing to get zapped by the ribbon in the first place. Why did Kirk have to be in the end at all? I don’t hate him, but it’s a TNG movie. The thing that I would have changed in this movie is that they defeat Soran and both captains warp back to the Enterprise in time for the Klingons to open fire. If Kirk needs to die, have him die on the Enterprise D by saving the rest of the crew somehow. ---
**Author:** ![Lethal\_Babydoll](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3be4f8/32.png) [@Lethal\_Babydoll](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lethal_Babydoll)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/528751/2 "2010-02-12T19:46:58Z")
yeah, the whole Nexis thing is messed up, but the movie has a lot of good stuff. I like: Picard’s grief. Very moving. The line, “They say time is the fire in which we burn” Data losing control of his laughter Kirk’s regret at choosing Star Fleet over love The way Picard apologetically tells Kirk he’s the captain of the Enterprise The way Riker says “That’s the mission where James Kirk died” ---
**Author:** ![daveg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b5ac83/32.png) [@daveg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/daveg)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/528751/3 "2010-02-12T19:58:46Z")
I enjoyed Generations. It put closure on TOS --\> TNG. Some quick memories: What’s a stunsil? Stellar cartography - same as OP We are DE-CLOAKING !!! All hands — brace for impact The Picard Guinan scene discussing Soran Data finds Spot Plenty of other letters in the alphabet ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/528751/4 "2010-02-12T20:04:29Z")
It was worth it to hear Data yell “Oooooooh shit!” ---
**Author:** ![bafaa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e480ec/32.png) [@bafaa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bafaa)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/528751/5 "2010-02-12T20:16:54Z")
I enjoyed seeing the TNG crew on a big screen for the first time and there were parts I liked but overall I thought it was just OK. Here is a great review of it. It is mostly tongue in cheek but some good points are made and I think I enjoyed the review more than the actual movie. > **[RedLetterMedia](https://www.youtube.com/user/RedLetterMedia#p/u/0/h06WKYFYdlo)** > > Red Letter Media is responsible for the 70 minute Phantom Menace review as well as Space Cop, Half in the Bag, and Best of the Worst. Full time frauds. ---
**Author:** ![AWB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bb73d2/32.png) [@AWB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AWB)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/528751/6 "2010-02-12T20:19:25Z")
Things I liked: - Data losing control of his emotions: laughter, fear, happiness. - Crusher getting thrown into the holographic ocean. - Deanna finally gets to drive, and the ship crashes. - The Duras sisters realizing they’re about to die. Better than the “5-4-3-2-1” countdown in ST III. Things I didn’t like: - Kirk dying. He’s supposed to be immortal. - Riker not knowing about trilithium, even though it was the basis of a TNG episode “Starship Mine”. - Enterprise-D crashing. I’m surprised the Federation isn’t broke. A Galaxy-class ship should’ve been in use for decades, not just years. - The inconsistancies of the Nexus. A poorly-executed _Deus ex machina_, IMO. ---
**Author:** ![chrisk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@chrisk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrisk)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/528751/7 "2010-02-12T22:40:49Z")
I’ve always liked this movie, though I do think the nexus is about 55% plot hole, which does make it at least big enough to fly a Runabout through. I saw it in the theater on opening weekend with my mother and brother, they took me to it as a birthday event. One moment I’ll always remember was when the Enterprise, beleaguered by the Klingons, managed to cloak and torpedo them - being a typical matinee crowd, most of the audience cheered this moment, even before Data went all emotion chip and shouted 'GOT ‘EM!’ And the cheers in the audience just sort of got strangled as the other bridge officers cast disapproving glares at Data, clearly conveying the sentiment "We’re Federation officers, and we don’t gloat in killing our enemies - we shoot to kill when we have no other way to defend ourselves, but we don’t like it.’ It was almost as if most of the teenage viewers felt that Riker and Troi would have given them a lecture if they’d seen the reaction. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/528751/8 "2010-02-12T23:24:26Z")
I really enjoyed the part where the Enterprise crashed and all the Next Gen crew were killed. Then they rewound time and made it not happen and I was sad … . ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/528751/9 "2010-02-12T23:48:52Z")
I liked the movie but hated Kirk’s dying words. Oh my. ---
**Author:** ![FordTaurusSHO94](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f07891/32.png) [@FordTaurusSHO94](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FordTaurusSHO94)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2010, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/528751/10 "2010-02-13T00:21:32Z")
Didn’t Shatner script his own dying words? I might be wrong, but I thought I read that somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2010, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/528751/11 "2010-02-13T01:02:46Z")
It was a stupid movie, with a stupid plot, made worse by having Shatner in it far past his prime. _First Contact_ was a much better movie. I rank only a couple movies below it out of the 11 that were made (there is no such thing as a reboot movie, I will firmly deny it to anyone). ---
**Author:** ![sparky\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/77aa72/32.png) [@sparky\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sparky_1)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2010, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/528751/12 "2010-02-13T01:09:04Z")
I never saw it, but this thread got me to rent it on iTunes. I’ll post what I think in about 2 hours. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2010, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/528751/13 "2010-02-13T01:16:33Z")
_Life, forms You tiny little life, forms You precious little life, forms Where are you? doo-doo-doo-doo doo doo doo, dodododo!_ ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2010, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/528751/14 "2010-02-13T01:32:21Z")
It looked and felt like an episode of the show, and not a very good one. It was all downhill after the opening credits, which promised a pretty good movie. The original cast members spouting the overblown technobabble so favoured by Next Generation writers didn’t feel right and the threat wasn’t really threatening. I wasn’t feeling the tension the writers wanted me to feel, and the jokes weren’t funny. I’d have liked to see what Cameron was like as the captain of the Enterprise-B, though. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2010, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/528751/15 "2010-02-13T02:53:57Z")
> [@FordTaurusSHO94](#): > > Didn’t Shatner script his own dying words? I might be wrong, but I thought I read that somewhere. He did. He wanted to convey the impression that as Kirk was dying, he caught a glimpse of what lay beyond and was experiencing a great sense of awe. The undiscovered country if you will. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2010, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/528751/16 "2010-02-13T03:03:19Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > It looked and felt like an episode of the show, and not a very good one. This is pretty much how I’ve always felt. First Contact, by comparison, has a much stronger cinematic feel to it. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2010, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/528751/17 "2010-02-13T03:55:13Z")
They included Kirk because the movie represented a passing of the torch from the old to the new. Sadly, _Generations_ just wasn’t that good. I’ll take it over _Insurrection_ and _Nemesis_ any day of the week if only for the Klingon cleavage. _First Contact_ might be the only decent TNG movie. I can’t think of another one that was any good. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2010, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/528751/18 "2010-02-13T13:22:29Z")
The problem with the Nexus is, once you go in, you can \*never \*get out. Sure, you’ll think you’re out- remember, it always gives you what you want- but it’s an illusion. Picard never left it. ---
**Author:** ![ZPhobiaZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/9de0a6/32.png) [@ZPhobiaZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPhobiaZ)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2010, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/528751/19 "2010-02-13T13:28:55Z")
I wonder why no one has said it yet? BRING BACK KIRK! This nicely sums up my feelings on the movie. ---
**Author:** ![FordTaurusSHO94](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f07891/32.png) [@FordTaurusSHO94](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FordTaurusSHO94)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2010, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/528751/20 "2010-02-13T16:11:47Z")
> [@Lightnin](#): > > The problem with the Nexus is, once you go in, you can \*never \*get out. Sure, you’ll think you’re out- remember, it always gives you what you want- but it’s an illusion. > > Picard never left it. Part of you stays in it, but Guinan is proof that you can leave. The method of leaving is what I don’t care for. Picard and Kirk could easily leave to whenever and where ever they wanted, but Guinan and Soran were ripped from it. I did like the way it looked as it rolled over Soran while he stood on top of the mountain. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/528751.md?page=2)