# Star Trek: Generations **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 12, 2010, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/528751 "2010-02-12T18:41:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Jim\_s\_Son](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19adc/32.png) [@Jim\_s\_Son](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jim_s_Son)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2010, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/528751/21 "2010-02-13T19:31:08Z")
Pretty mediocre but then TNG movies are (First Contact was okay). I haven’t seen it since it came out but isn’t there a scene early on when Kirk, Scotty and Checkov are followed by media types-about the first time we’ve seen such people in a Star Trek universe? Everybody except Paramount knew that if you had Kirk and Picard in a film, you want a “buddy-buddy” film. But I guess they wanted to establish the TNG franchise in movies. Nice scene: Data with emotions singing “Life Forms…you tiny little life forms” when scanning a planet". ---
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2010, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/528751/22 "2010-02-13T22:14:55Z")
Apparently, to leave the Nexus and go anywhere/anytime, you have to ride out of it on horseback. ---
**Author:** ![Icerigger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icerigger/32/432_2.png) [@Icerigger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icerigger)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2010, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/528751/23 "2010-02-13T22:18:07Z")
Check out **Confused Matthew’s** review of Generations, needless to say he doesn’t like it.😉 [http://www.confusedmatthew.com/Star-Trek-Generations.php](http://www.confusedmatthew.com/Star-Trek-Generations.php) ---
**Author:** ![Bearflag70](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Bearflag70](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bearflag70)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2010, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/528751/24 "2010-02-13T23:28:51Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > He did. He wanted to convey the impression that as Kirk was dying, he caught a glimpse of what lay beyond and was experiencing a great sense of awe. The undiscovered country if you will. I heard Patrick Stewart was laughing at or critical of Shatner’s acting here. True? ---
**Author:** ![ZPhobiaZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/9de0a6/32.png) [@ZPhobiaZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPhobiaZ)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2010, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/528751/25 "2010-02-13T23:30:53Z")
> [@Bearflag70](#): > > I heard Patrick Stewart was laughing at or critical of Shatner’s acting here. True? No, this wasn’t in the movie. Whatever he may have thought or said offscreen, he acted very serious and professional during the film. Picard looks genuinely moved when Kirk dies. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2010, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/528751/26 "2010-02-14T01:06:59Z")
> [@AWB](#): > > Things I didn’t like: > > - Kirk dying. He’s supposed to be immortal. Damn straight. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2010, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/528751/27 "2010-02-14T02:42:42Z")
> [@ZPhobiaZ](#): > > I wonder why no one has said it yet? > > BRING BACK KIRK! > > This nicely sums up my feelings on the movie. You want Kirk back? [I got your Kirk right here.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJHANrzMSlk) ---
**Author:** ![Pushkin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ee59a6/32.png) [@Pushkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pushkin)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2010, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/528751/28 "2010-02-22T14:58:50Z")
> [@FordTaurusSHO94](#): > > The thing that I would have changed in this movie is that they defeat Soran and both captains warp back to the Enterprise in time for the Klingons to open fire. If Kirk needs to die, have him die on the Enterprise D by saving the rest of the crew somehow. I agree that Kirk’s death should have been more epic. Kirk was there, so I thought, to act as a bridge between the generations. Which is a little lazy. Given that he was there at the start of the film itching to command, that he was always described by friends and foes as a great Captain, why not send him out as a great Captain? The Undiscovered Country did that already, but this is Kirk being sent out _and_ killed off, why not make it as fitting as possible? If you were Picard (and you weren’t still stuck in the Nexus…) would you not ask to be brought back in time with Kirk to somewhere he would be most useful? On the bridge of the Enterprise? Wasteful given what a good Captain Picard already is, so he just asks Kirk to start punching Soran. Really? He didn’t want to fetch someone else more capable at ass kicking to help him out? And he didn’t want to go back and maybe save his family in France, not take Soran to the observatory in the first place and sort things out from there, where less people die? It just didn’t make sense I’m afraid. ---
**Author:** ![Meros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@Meros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meros)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2010, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/528751/29 "2010-02-22T15:52:00Z")
> [@FordTaurusSHO94](#): > > Didn’t Shatner script his own dying words? I might be wrong, but I thought I read that somewhere. Not long after Generations [this](http://www.amazon.com/Return-Star-Trek-William-Shatner/dp/067152609X/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1266853642&sr=1-10) novel came out (note the author). The general plot was that a group of Romulans aligned with the Borg to create a Kirk-borg by downloading Kirk’s consciousness at the moment of his death (hence, according to this novel, the reason for the “Oh my”). It wouldn’t surprise me if Shatner _did_, in fact, script that line, and did it with this in mind. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2010, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/528751/30 "2010-02-22T18:57:43Z")
> [@Jim\_s\_Son](#): > > Everybody except Paramount knew that if you had Kirk and Picard in a film, you want a “buddy-buddy” film. But I guess they wanted to establish the TNG franchise in movies. But, wasn’t Generations pretty much of a “buddy movie” (or at least of a cooperative bent) as far as Kirk and Picard were concerned? And Paramount was certainly aware of the need. From [Memory Alpha:](http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Generations#Development) > [@](#): > > Initially bandying about ideas involving the two Enterprise crews battling each other, Moore and Braga quickly abandoned the concept. Ron Moore explained in 1994: > > ``` > "...The best possible poster you could ever hope to have for this picture would show you the two Enterprises battling against each other. We all tried our best, but we were never able to come up with any scenario that made both crews look heroic. No matter how we played around with this thing, somebody was gonna come off looking like the bad guy. So then we returned, a little more solidly, to the "mystery that spans two generations" idea that would allow Whoopi Goldberg, as Guinan, as the tie that binds the two." > > ``` You can criticize the final product, but Berman & Co. did abandon the adversarial concept of the script and focused more solidly on a cooperative type of Kirk and Picard adventure. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2010, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/528751/31 "2010-02-23T00:01:15Z")
> [@AWB](#): > > Kirk dying. He’s supposed to be immortal. I don’t mind him dying, but he was supposed to die alone. And if he’s gonna come back to help Picard, give him an ending better than Tasha Yar’s. ---
**Author:** ![Mississippienne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d2c977/32.png) [@Mississippienne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mississippienne)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2010, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/528751/32 "2010-02-23T00:20:27Z")
I like Generations, although not as much as First Contact (the best TNG movie), but the biggest problem with it is the Nexus itself. It’s so clearly a deus ex machina and the writing is so inconsistent about it – first, Soran and Guinan’s ship is rescued from the Nexus, but then for some reason Soran can’t just fly another ship into it, he has to come up with some supervillainish plot to destroy a planet to return to the Nexus. WTF. Favorite quote is from Riker: “Speak for yourself, sir. I plan on living forever.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-generations/528751.md?page=1)