# Star Trek II - The Wrath Of Khan (SPOILERS!!) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 30, 2002, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-ii-the-wrath-of-khan-spoilers/139587 "2002-11-30T02:43:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2002, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-ii-the-wrath-of-khan-spoilers/139587/1 "2002-11-30T02:43:24Z")
I just saw the new Star Trek! _STII:TWOK_ Spoiler ahead I can’t believe they killed Spock! And as for nits: Was Checkov even on NCC 1701 when Khan showed up in the series? And Kirk has a son! Man, I hope they don’t kill him off in the next movie. As for Spock, they did send his corpse to the Genesis thingy, hmmm… It’s a funsies thread. Treat it like you just saw TWOK at the theatre when it came out. Nits, plot stupidity, better or worse than TMP, what of new series coming out, etc… Sure, you can use your knowledge of the last 18 or so years, but don’t be direct. Be subtle in forshadowing. Have fun! ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2002, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-ii-the-wrath-of-khan-spoilers/139587/2 "2002-11-30T02:52:37Z")
That Kirstie Alley is hot! Hope she plays that sexy vulcan chick in more movies. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2002, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-ii-the-wrath-of-khan-spoilers/139587/3 "2002-11-30T02:54:58Z")
Yeah, it was pretty good. Pity the cast is getting so old; I hear they’re going to do a STIII, but I doubt they’ll ever do more than that. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2002, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-ii-the-wrath-of-khan-spoilers/139587/4 "2002-11-30T02:58:02Z")
And that Joachim dude is young and blonde…He doesn’t look a durned thing like the older, darker-haired Joachim in “Space Seed.” In fact…everyone on Ceti Alpha V looks young and blonde; they bear no resemblance to Khan’s gang in the TV episode! ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2002, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-ii-the-wrath-of-khan-spoilers/139587/5 "2002-11-30T03:00:28Z")
Speaking of Ceti Alpha V…Chekov mistakes it for Ceti Alpha VI, and Khan has to explain that VI exploded and laid V to waste. So…how did Terrell and co. not notice that a planet in that system was missing? Isn’t anybody at Starfleet updating the star charts? ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2002, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-ii-the-wrath-of-khan-spoilers/139587/6 "2002-11-30T03:03:33Z")
seems odd they’re taking old ideas from the series. I heard a rumor that TMP was actually a failed pilot for a new series and Gene revamped it to a motion picture. I also heard they’re planning another new series with a completely different crew! Man, I wish I could tap into their word processors somehow with my Apple II-E ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2002, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-ii-the-wrath-of-khan-spoilers/139587/7 "2002-11-30T03:05:58Z")
Be cool if they brought back the Metrons, the Gorn, or Trelane for the next movie ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2002, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-ii-the-wrath-of-khan-spoilers/139587/8 "2002-11-30T03:06:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by NoClueBoy \* > And as for nits: Was Checkov even on NCC 1701 when Khan showed up in the series? According to the IMDB, The Khan episode was 16 February 1967, and Chekov started on the series in 1967. If he was in the whole season, and didn’t skip that episode, then I guess he was there. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2002, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-ii-the-wrath-of-khan-spoilers/139587/9 "2002-11-30T03:09:32Z")
He wasn’t on the bridge crew. We didn’t see him for the whole first season. Then, when he started in '67 at the beginning of season two… see what I’m thinking? I’ll have to ask at the next Thundercon Star Trek convention ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2002, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-ii-the-wrath-of-khan-spoilers/139587/10 "2002-11-30T03:10:44Z")
Seems kinda silly the only way to repair the warp drive was for a person to go in there and do it with their bare hands. I guess they lost radiation-suit and robot technology in that era… (OK, I guess Spock might have calculated that putting on a rad. suit would have taken too much time.) ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2002, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-ii-the-wrath-of-khan-spoilers/139587/11 "2002-11-30T03:13:34Z")
Yeah… and the 2D vs 3D stuff. If they’ve been in space that long, they should’ve run into that before ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2002, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-ii-the-wrath-of-khan-spoilers/139587/12 "2002-11-30T03:16:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by NoClueBoy \* > \*\*He wasn’t on the bridge crew. We didn’t see him for the whole first season. Then, when he started in '67 at the beginning of season two… see what I’m thinking? I’ll have to ask at the next Thundercon Star Trek convention \*\* I bet the “official” story is that he (the character) was on the ship, just not promoted to the bridge yet. I suppose the whole ship would have known what happened. Actually, I guess the whole human civilization might have known via news sources and such. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2002, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-ii-the-wrath-of-khan-spoilers/139587/13 "2002-11-30T03:19:41Z")
I wonder how big a gaseous nebula would have to be to form an M Type planet from Genesis? ---
**Author:** ![Ranger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/258eb7/32.png) [@Ranger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranger)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2002, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-ii-the-wrath-of-khan-spoilers/139587/14 "2002-11-30T03:20:16Z")
What the fuck was with that “Remember” thing, anyway? ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2002, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-ii-the-wrath-of-khan-spoilers/139587/15 "2002-11-30T03:23:07Z")
Maybe Spock comes back as a ghost? It was most definitly his (Nimoy’s) voice in the closing credits. But, I didn’t catch that until the second time I sat through it. The remember thing I mean. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2002, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-ii-the-wrath-of-khan-spoilers/139587/16 "2002-11-30T03:38:38Z")
Montalbon was awesome. I bet his career as an action hero in movies goes through the roof from here. ---
**Author:** ![Guy\_Incognito](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guy_incognito/32/3920_2.png) [@Guy\_Incognito](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guy_Incognito)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2002, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-ii-the-wrath-of-khan-spoilers/139587/17 "2002-11-30T03:48:27Z")
I guess now would be the time for them to put the series to rest. Nobody would want to watch a Star Trek movie where the main characters have gotten old, bald and fat. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2002, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-ii-the-wrath-of-khan-spoilers/139587/18 "2002-11-30T03:58:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ranger \* > \*\*What the fuck was with that “Remember” thing, anyway? \*\* I bet he implanted secret instructions to resurrect dead Vulcans. My buddy thinks Spock actually implanted his mind into McCoy, but that’s stupid. That’s not something to “Remember” but to hold or contain. That theory makes no sense. ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2002, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-ii-the-wrath-of-khan-spoilers/139587/19 "2002-11-30T04:02:34Z")
So, now that Spock’s dead, maybe they’ll give Leonard a chance to direct or something like that. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2002, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-ii-the-wrath-of-khan-spoilers/139587/20 "2002-11-30T04:06:55Z")
besides, it wasn’t that long of a touch [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-ii-the-wrath-of-khan-spoilers/139587.md?page=2)