# Star Trek Into Darkness Seen it thread. Spoilers to follow **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 16, 2013, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528 "2013-05-16T17:16:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/221 "2013-05-29T13:47:58Z")
> [@jackdavinci](#): > > He was a villain but not really a terrorist in the usual sense, and that was more of a crash landing during a battle than an attack, and America doesn’t exist any more… Of course it does. While the Earth may have cast aside war and hard nationalism upon First Contact, it’s pretty well established that _nations_ still exist, even if the distinction between _nation-states_ does not. There’s all kinds of examplse throughtout the films and shows; “Star Trek Into Darkness” shows the Union Jack beingp roudly flown in London. Chekhov is famously proud of Russia. Uhura is from a nation called the “United States of Africa,”( which presumably is a federation that includes southeast Africa because Uhura speaks Kiswahili and her name’s inspired by that language.) In “The Next Generation,” a young officer incorrectly states Riker is “Canadian,” but Riker corrects him; he’s actually from Alaska. It’s pretty clear people in the Star Trek universe still think of themselves in terms of being from distinct nations. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/222 "2013-05-29T14:40:15Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Never understood why 100 million dollar movies won’t spend a hundredth of a percent of their budget on a good writer. Because the director, being the author of the movie, is free to change or ignore whatever the writer writes. So what’s the point of a good script? ---
**Author:** ![Soylent\_Juicy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/82dd89/32.png) [@Soylent\_Juicy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Soylent_Juicy)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/223 "2013-05-29T15:03:17Z")
> [@carlotta](#): > > …you bring a dead tribble back to life and you don’t pay that off with a sick bay awash in tribbles? Perfect post credits joke scene guys! geez. That would have been awesome. All I know is that I, who only know the olden-days TV Star Trek, was confused by Captain Pike dying. What the hell man, he’s paralyzed and can’t speak and is confined to a cardboard-looking wheelchair. He’s not supposed to _die._ Also if I were a dude I’d be so jealous of Zachary Quinto - he’s gay and gets to make out with Zoe Saldana and can’t even appreciate it! ---
**Author:** ![pancakes3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ba9def/32.png) [@pancakes3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pancakes3)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/224 "2013-05-29T15:21:18Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > But, you know, if they had a script worthy of a precocious middle schooler’s English class assignment, they could show Spock being unable to control his emotions without actually verbalizing BUT I CAN’T NOT FEEL AT THIS POINT, REMEMBER HOW WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT EARLIER IN THE MOVIE. Just in case your audience totally forgot who Spock was and what his deal was and what had already happened in the movie. Because, you know, they’re the dumbest motherfuckers on the planet apparently. For a movie that’s nonstop action, there was too much exposition via dialogue. The redlettermedia review of this movie asked - if in a vacuum of ST canon and you didn’t know anything prior about Kirk/Spock, would you even know that they’re supposed to be friends? When Spock watched Kirk die, wouldn’t he just kind of shrug and move on? There’s nothing in this movie that shows the two being friendly, much less friends. Coworkers who are forced together and don’t like each other very much. ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/225 "2013-05-29T16:18:29Z")
> [@Soylent\_Juicy](#): > > That would have been awesome. > > All I know is that I, who only know the olden-days TV Star Trek, was confused by Captain Pike dying. What the hell man, he’s paralyzed and can’t speak and is confined to a cardboard-looking wheelchair. He’s not supposed to _die._ Yeah, when they showed Spock looking at him, with Pike’s horrified expression, that was the first thought in my mind- “are they going to put him in that beeping chair with _that_ expression on his face?” Then he kicked the bucket, so that idea went out the window. But on reflection, they’d have had to have a cyborg Pike in some fashion; they just couldn’t leave him that gimped up in the 23rd century, you know, and that would have been 5x stupider than anything else in the movie. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/226 "2013-05-29T16:52:20Z")
> [@pancakes3](#): > > For a movie that’s nonstop action, there was too much exposition via dialogue. > > The redlettermedia review of this movie asked - if in a vacuum of ST canon and you didn’t know anything prior about Kirk/Spock, would you even know that they’re supposed to be friends? When Spock watched Kirk die, wouldn’t he just kind of shrug and move on? There’s nothing in this movie that shows the two being friendly, much less friends. Coworkers who are forced together and don’t like each other very much. Apparently redlettermedia didn’t actually pay attention to any of the exposition via dialogue, or they would have figured out what I mentioned upthread: Spock was traumatized by _any_ loss. It didn’t have to specifically be Kirk, nor was it necessary that they be established as superlative friends. Although, there was quite a bit of exposition _not_ via dialogue that establishes their developing friendship. And, really, this Spock has all of three friends now: Old Spock, Uhura, and Kirk. Logically, a loss of 33% of your friends is quite significant. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/227 "2013-05-29T18:08:15Z")
Why is Chris Hemsworth’s name in the credits when his character, George Kirk, is not in the movie? Also, Leonard Nimoy claimed a while back that he was retiring from acting. What a kidder. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/228 "2013-05-29T20:07:58Z")
I think that actors retire the same way that professors do: They keep on working, they just get pickier about which projects they take on. ---
**Author:** ![obfusciatrist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4af34b/32.png) [@obfusciatrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/obfusciatrist)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/229 "2013-05-29T21:06:24Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > Good point on no real military “border control”. But the fleet was gutted/devastated by Nemo in the first film. And 24 hours before there were at least a half dozen Starfleet vessels in orbit seeing as all their captains had gathered for the slaughter. It is the little inanitities that get to me. A week and a half later I’m still thinking about Robocop shooting the Enterprise out of warp. He does that and they come out of warp about the moon’s distance from Earth. It’s a freaking good thing Robocop did them that favor because another half second in warp and they’d have been most of the way back out of the solar system. Either than or Kronos really is somewhere around the same distance as Mars. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/230 "2013-05-29T21:38:19Z")
> [@jackdavinci](#): > > He was a villain but not really a terrorist in the usual sense, and that was more of a crash landing during a battle than an attack, and America doesn’t exist any more. It’s more like collateral damage. > > . I’m not even all that sure he’s a villian - or at least, that what he did in the movie really showed his villany. 😉 [spoiler] Certainly, he attacked starfleet command and killed a lot of people - but then, we know he was being blackmailed into helping a rogue in charge at starfleet who wanted to start a massive interstellar war! Also, he attacked the Enterprise - but first, Kirk betrayed him when they were buddies. Well, yeah, killing the warmonger dude by squeezing his head like a grape was a bit over the top, but hey. [/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/231 "2013-05-29T22:49:37Z")
So, are they just going to keep the Khansicle and his frozen fam in the cryotubes indefinitely, thawing them out whenever they need healing superblood? ---
**Author:** ![obfusciatrist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4af34b/32.png) [@obfusciatrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/obfusciatrist)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2013, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/232 "2013-05-29T23:40:06Z")
That would be stupid. They have the technology readily available to just clone one and raise it from scratch to be a supportive superhero instead of a supervillain. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2013, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/233 "2013-05-30T01:33:59Z")
We went to see it last night, and I quite enjoyed it. My two complaints - lens flare, of course (so freaking distracting when it is everywhere, all the time), and the way the relationships and where the characters are in their lives is so forced. I don’t have a problem with the idea that everyone will eventually fall into the same places, basically, but they have to get there organically, not just be forced there by “take the easy way out” writing. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2013, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/234 "2013-05-30T04:20:39Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > So, are they just going to > > keep the Khansicle and his frozen fam in the cryotubes indefinitely, thawing them out whenever they need healing superblood? The Federation is full of would-be utopia-ists. Not Player Characters. So, no. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/235 "2013-05-31T03:48:13Z")
(I recomemded to a person who had just watched ST II to watch III and IV > [@cmyk](#): > > Not so fast! While set up in WoK, the Genesis Project in III was really weak, lazy, gringe-worthy writing, a disappointing follow up to WoK. > > Star Trek IV is Kickass. 2nd to only WoK. And, gasp! They used… Time travel to the exact year the movie was released, violating a directive to resolve the vague, threat. > > Time Travel is a beloved fixture in Science Fantacy, and its all over the franchise. More on this point later… I’m sorry but ST IV makes NO SENSE unless you watch III. It is the middle act of a great three act story. I loved the fact that III starts about a week after II left off and IV is only about 2 months after. (I know the exact ammount of time is mentioned and I (gasp!) can’t pull that up right now. The computers are smashed. ---
**Author:** ![Raguleader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/258eb7/32.png) [@Raguleader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raguleader)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/236 "2013-05-31T04:03:30Z")
If they ever made a Star Trek V, I like to think it would have taken place shortly after IV, with the crew working up the new Enterprise while dealing with some kind of emergency situation. Of course, they never made Star Trek V. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/237 "2013-05-31T04:07:22Z")
Star Trek V is one of those lost films. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2013, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/238 "2013-06-01T00:58:30Z")
Please, V was better than TMP or Insurrection. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Man\_In\_Black](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@The\_Man\_In\_Black](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Man_In_Black)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2013, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/239 "2013-06-01T01:15:43Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > Please, V was better than TMP or Insurrection. I would much rather watch Star Trek V over TMP and and TNG movie other than First Contact. But I personally don’t count V as even being a Star Trek movie. It makes very little since when held against the others. ---
**Author:** ![Mrs.Cake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2acd7d/32.png) [@Mrs.Cake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mrs.Cake)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2013, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/240 "2013-06-01T01:35:21Z")
Oddly, several of us who work at the opera are Trek fans (space opera? Who knows). Bunch of us saw it, some of us twice. With the summer festival ramping up, ST ends up getting more discussion than “Peter Grimes”. Overall consensus is we liked it better than the 2009 movie, and none of us, older or younger fans alike, have any problem with the reboot in general. Much love for Cumberbatch - no surprise there as we are mostly all “Sherlock” fans as well. The females among us are irritated that the few female characters get short shrift, with even Uhura more channeling a sorority girl than a professional. The men didn’t notice that until we mentioned it. Still, good summer movie, better than I hoped for. Loved Michael Giacchino’s score. Can forgive the plot problems and those birth defects that come along with the Trek universe as a whole so long as I’m not bothered by them while watching the movie. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528.md?page=13)