# Star Trek Into Darkness Seen it thread. Spoilers to follow **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 16, 2013, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528 "2013-05-16T17:16:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/322 "2013-07-02T22:14:33Z")
I’ll be sure to check my watch when it happens. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/323 "2013-07-02T22:18:04Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > My two colleagues were discussing the movie and A, who has seen it, was explaining to B (a man in his 50s with degrees from Harvard and M.I.T.) the Khan backstory as presented by J.J. Abrams and B blurted with outrage: “That’s not how it happened in real life!” that is brilliant!!! good luck with “the talk”. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2013, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/324 "2013-07-03T00:51:59Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Khan’s race: If Khan was supposed to have been born c. 1959, is it unreasonable to suggest that he was possibly a 4th- or 5th-generation descendant of an Indian man and a white, English woman? I’ll admit that, being American, I don’t know how tolerant the British of the 19th Century would have been of such a union, but given Britain’s heavy presence in India, it had to have happened from time to time. Well I’ll be a son of a gun: [DNA tests reveal Prince William’s Indian ancestry](http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/14/world/europe/britain-prince-william-india/?iref=obinsite) ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2013, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/325 "2013-07-03T13:32:44Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > My two colleagues were discussing the movie and A, who has seen it, was explaining to B (a man in his 50s with degrees from Harvard and M.I.T.) the Khan backstory as presented by J.J. Abrams and B blurted with outrage: “That’s not how it happened in real life!” Does he have a really smart cat companion and hang out with Teri Garr? ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2013, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/326 "2013-07-03T19:00:32Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Well I’ll be a son of a gun: > [DNA tests reveal Prince William’s Indian ancestry](http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/14/world/europe/britain-prince-william-india/?iref=obinsite) as soon as i saw your post, i thought, must be his mother’s side. sure enough, it is. ---
**Author:** ![AndrewL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@AndrewL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AndrewL)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2013, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/327 "2013-07-03T19:31:31Z")
I have decided that this movie (and the previous one) makes much more sense if we assume that Scotty is an undercover Timelord. Where did the amazing transwarp teleporter that is completely out of place and would utterly revolutionize interplanetary travel, trade and warfare and make starships obsolete come from? Obviously a piece of Gallifreyan technology that Scotty borrowed. He carelessly let it get out of his hands after the first movie, but managed to reclaim and destroy it during the second. How did get get into what must have been a tightly controlled crime scene and steal the transwarp device, the most important piece of evidence? Psychic paper to convince them he was authorized. Psychic paper also helped him sneak onto the warship towards the end, where he probably used a sonic screwdriver to disable the weapon systems. It makes perfect sense. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2013, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/328 "2013-07-03T23:18:15Z")
> [@Zebra](#): > > In the Star Trek future, all black men are a little on the chubby side. You don’t say! [![](https://www.scifispace.com/assets/images/mayweather.jpg) ](https://www.scifispace.com/assets/images/mayweather.jpg) [http://www.startrek.com/legacy\_media/images/200303/tos-015-starbase----s-commodor/320x240.jpg](http://www.startrek.com/legacy_media/images/200303/tos-015-starbase----s-commodor/320x240.jpg) [http://moviehole.net/img/philmorris.jpg](http://moviehole.net/img/philmorris.jpg) [http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/\_\_cb20120205061427/memoryalpha/en/images/5/5b/Geordi\_La\_Forge\_2364.jpg](http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120205061427/memoryalpha/en/images/5/5b/Geordi_La_Forge_2364.jpg) [![](http://www.sherylfranklin.com/images/trek/ds9/sisko2-sm.jpg) ](http://www.sherylfranklin.com/images/trek/ds9/sisko2-sm.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2013, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/329 "2013-07-04T00:46:07Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > You don’t say! > > [http://www.scifispace.com/assets/images/mayweather.jpg](http://www.scifispace.com/assets/images/mayweather.jpg) > [http://www.startrek.com/legacy\_media/images/200303/tos-015-starbase----s-commodor/320x240.jpg](http://www.startrek.com/legacy_media/images/200303/tos-015-starbase----s-commodor/320x240.jpg) > [http://moviehole.net/img/philmorris.jpg](http://moviehole.net/img/philmorris.jpg) > [http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/\_\_cb20120205061427/memoryalpha/en/images/5/5b/Geordi\_La\_Forge\_2364.jpg](http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120205061427/memoryalpha/en/images/5/5b/Geordi_La_Forge_2364.jpg) > [http://www.sherylfranklin.com/images/trek/ds9/sisko2-sm.jpg](http://www.sherylfranklin.com/images/trek/ds9/sisko2-sm.jpg) Disgusting fatties, all of them. Apparently. ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/330 "2013-07-05T14:52:40Z")
Speaking about temporal paradoxes… IIRC, the idea (and “formula”) behind “transparant aluminum”, in the Prime Universe, came from Scotty, when he went back to 20th century San Fransisco to fetch some whales, as seen in Star Trek IV. Remeber, when Scotty shows the guy at the plexiglass (polymers?) factory, he appears to react as if “transparant aluminum” hadn’t even occured to him, let alone be something he was working on on the side.) But in the reboot universe, that aint gonna happen that way. So where did the humans in the reboot universe get their “space windows”? ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/331 "2013-07-05T15:05:33Z")
scotty gave the formula to the guy who invented it, just a bit earlier. guy still invents it. ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/332 "2013-07-05T15:33:29Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > scotty gave the formula to the guy who invented it, just a bit earlier. guy still invents it. That’s why I pointed out that the guy wasn’t even thinking along those lines. He acts as if this revelation is totally out of the blue. I can’t believe some random schmoe working the QA department of a plexiglass factory is gonna invent a whole new recipe in a different career field (metallurgy versus plastics) in his spare time. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2013, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/333 "2013-07-06T13:46:54Z")
> [@mlees](#): > > That’s why I pointed out that the guy wasn’t even thinking along those lines. He acts as if this revelation is totally out of the blue. > > I can’t believe some random schmoe working the QA department of a plexiglass factory is gonna invent a whole new recipe in a different career field (metallurgy versus plastics) in his spare time. 🙂 the schmoe owned the company. some people enjoy fiddling and trying to make the product they make better, or have a need and find a solution. ---
**Author:** ![Find\_Friends](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c37758/32.png) [@Find\_Friends](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Find_Friends)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2013, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/334 "2013-07-24T15:46:02Z")
Please refresh my memory. At some point Spock presents a point to Kirk. Kirk responds with some childish personal attack. Spock’s reply to Kirk is that he must see validity in what has just been offered if he must resort to an ad hominem. What was the point and what did Kirk throw at Spock? For that matter, I would appreciate Spock’s exact retort. (Although I am sure Spock used the word _resort_.) I am assuming that someone out there has an excellent recall of exact words, or access to a script, or the resources and inclination to see /ID multiple times. Or maybe the book has the exact same dialog here. ---
**Author:** ![aNewLeaf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ac91a4/32.png) [@aNewLeaf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aNewLeaf)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2013, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/335 "2013-09-18T22:37:10Z")
Reading this thread has been a much more enjoyable and sensible use of my time than watching that dreadful movie. In particular, the idea that McCoy has just \*invented \*the Trouble with Tribbles caught my fancy. Perhaps the next movie will have whales, and All Will Be Forgiven. We’ll see. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/336 "2013-09-19T05:37:49Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > You don’t say! > > [http://www.scifispace.com/assets/images/mayweather.jpg](http://www.scifispace.com/assets/images/mayweather.jpg) > [http://www.startrek.com/legacy\_media/images/200303/tos-015-starbase----s-commodor/320x240.jpg](http://www.startrek.com/legacy_media/images/200303/tos-015-starbase----s-commodor/320x240.jpg) > [http://moviehole.net/img/philmorris.jpg](http://moviehole.net/img/philmorris.jpg) > [http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/\_\_cb20120205061427/memoryalpha/en/images/5/5b/Geordi\_La\_Forge\_2364.jpg](http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120205061427/memoryalpha/en/images/5/5b/Geordi_La_Forge_2364.jpg) > [http://www.sherylfranklin.com/images/trek/ds9/sisko2-sm.jpg](http://www.sherylfranklin.com/images/trek/ds9/sisko2-sm.jpg) Are any of those from the movie? NO? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2013, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/337 "2013-09-19T18:08:07Z")
Your statement was, in its entirety: > [@Zebra](#): > > In the Star Trek future, all black men are a little on the chubby side. I suggested otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/338 "2013-09-20T22:18:36Z")
> [@Trans Fat Og](#): > > Please refresh my memory. > > At some point Spock presents a point to Kirk. Kirk responds with some childish personal attack. Spock’s reply to Kirk is that he must see validity in what has just been offered if he must resort to an ad hominem. > > What was the point and what did Kirk throw at Spock? For that matter, I would appreciate Spock’s exact retort. (Although I am sure Spock used the word _resort_.) > > I am assuming that someone out there has an excellent recall of exact words, or access to a script, or the resources and inclination to see /ID multiple times. Or maybe the book has the exact same dialog here. Was it this? James T. Kirk: The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Spock: An Arabic proverb attributed to a prince who was betrayed and decapitated by his own subjects. James T. Kirk: Well, its still a hell of a quote. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/339 "2013-09-20T22:51:50Z")
> [@Trans Fat Og](#): > > Please refresh my memory. > > At some point Spock presents a point to Kirk. Kirk responds with some childish personal attack. Spock’s reply to Kirk is that he must see validity in what has just been offered if he must resort to an ad hominem. > > What was the point and what did Kirk throw at Spock? For that matter, I would appreciate Spock’s exact retort. (Although I am sure Spock used the word _resort_.) > > I am assuming that someone out there has an excellent recall of exact words, or access to a script, or the resources and inclination to see /ID multiple times. Or maybe the book has the exact same dialog here. Having just seen this movie, I think it was something like: Kirk: “I’m not going to listen to a sermon on ethics from a Robot.” Spock: “Reverting to name calling suggests that you find my opinion valid.” ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2013, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/340 "2013-10-06T13:17:56Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Your statement was, in its entirety: > > I suggested otherwise. Yes, but I was talking about this particular movie. Which is a separate future than the Roddenberry one. ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2013, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/341 "2013-10-07T20:27:43Z")
How many chubby black men were there in this one movie? Seems to me your basing a gigantic conclusion on a tiny sample size. Is there more than one black man in the movie? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528.md?page=18)