# Star Trek Into Darkness Seen it thread. Spoilers to follow **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 16, 2013, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528 "2013-05-16T17:16:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2013, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/81 "2013-05-19T03:03:57Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > I disagree with the idea Cummerbatch was a good Khan, to the extent that I am wondering what movie you people were watching. He was a terrible choice, utterly unsuitable for a role that was poorly written. (Why would be introduce himself as Khan? His name is Khan Noonian Singh.). I’m sick of “skinny British serious guy” as the go to villain, especially for a guy who’s supposed to be, you know, Asian, and really should LOOK more physically imposing. He did his best, but he was not the right actor. I had some mixed reactions. Yes, I agree that have someone so white playing a Sikh is a bit absurd and something TOS didn’t do, but I think Abrams made the decision because he wanted it to be a big shock when Cumberbatch was revealed as Khan and had he had say Naveen Andrews or Sendhil Ramamurthy(both of whom he has used) people would have guessed “Khan” right away. I don’t think he expected the leaks. Beyond that, I did have a problem with the idea that once Khan reveals himself Spock and Kirk don’t seem to know who this rather infamous figure of 20th Century history is. In fact, the phrase “the Eugenics Wars” isn’t even mentioned. ---
**Author:** ![Reepicheep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ed655f/32.png) [@Reepicheep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reepicheep)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2013, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/82 "2013-05-19T03:06:10Z")
I liked it. But I’ve got problems with one of the loose ends. So they have a way to resurrect people. Why isn’t Bones back at Star Fleet Med Section working on synthesizing Khan’s blood? Why aren’t there calls to use this new resurrection power on other people? ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2013, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/83 "2013-05-19T03:06:29Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > I think you need to rewatch “Space Seed”. Kahn lies early on and starts scheming almost immediately to get information and take control of the ship. He manipulates Marla McGivers to this end. > > You can make a case that he got a raw deal on Ceti Alpha V afterwards and was driven insane by those events but even when first meeting Kirk and the Enterprise it is pretty clear he is not a good person in bad circumstances. I’ll rewatch it if possible. My memory of it was that when they find out who he was, while they’re not thrilled, except for Spock, the Enterprise crew don’t seem to have really negative feelings about him, seemingly seeing him more like Napoleon than Hitler and in the episode he doesn’t come across as a huge mustache-twirling villain. ---
**Author:** ![jackdavinci](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackdavinci/32/3259_2.png) [@jackdavinci](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jackdavinci)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2013, 8:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/84 "2013-05-19T08:54:13Z")
> [@Reepicheep](#): > > I liked it. But I’ve got problems with one of the loose ends. So they have a way to resurrect people. Why isn’t Bones back at Star Fleet Med Section working on synthesizing Khan’s blood? Why aren’t there calls to use this new resurrection power on other people? Who’s to say there isn’t? The first movie introduced as a throwaway plot point some paradigm changing technology in the transwarp transporter, and I was convinced they would just ignore the implications of that, but it turned out to be a major element of the second film. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2013, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/85 "2013-05-19T16:33:47Z")
> [@Draelin](#): > > I liked it more than I expected to, given the iffy reviews I had read. I managed to keep myself so thoroughly unspoiled before going to the theater that I had convinced myself John Harrison _wouldn’t_ turn out to be Khan … until he started talking. Especially once the number “seventy-two” came out. I don’t know if I’m right, but my brain seemed to dredge up the idea that there were 72 surviving crew of the Botany Bay. > > Overall, I felt the second half was a little too blatantly pandering to fans, but I still enjoyed the hell out of it. I think if they had just omitted Spock’s “KHAAAAAAAN!!!” I would have been completely satisfied. There was no need for that. We got it. We saw the parallels. That’s beneath you, Zachary Quinto. Not Quinto’s choice. That is the director’s choice. Quinto clearly gets the character enough to have not had an emotional outburst. J.J. is clueless about Spock’s character. And yes, they got Nimoy to sign, but that exchange was useless. ---
**Author:** ![sparky\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/77aa72/32.png) [@sparky\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sparky_1)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2013, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/86 "2013-05-19T19:59:36Z")
I just saw it in 3D and really liked it, and this from someone who didn’t much like the previous film. I thought it did a good job of using the CGI to further the story, vs the abortion it so often ends up being. I now really have faith that Abrams will do Star Wars justice. As to the lens flares, I know people joke about it with his movies, but man, there was a ton! Very distracting! There were scenes on the bridge where it seemed they tried to reflect background glare from the control screens back at the viewer. Maybe it was the 3D, but it was quite annoying. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2013, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/87 "2013-05-19T20:01:22Z")
I saw it with a friend of mine whose two biggest complaints were: 1- Cut the apron. We all love Leonard Nimoy, but it’s time to move out of the original series’s basement. 2- They’re in free fall- they’re going to be weightless anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Sparky\_the\_Wonder\_Spirit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@Sparky\_the\_Wonder\_Spirit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparky_the_Wonder_Spirit)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2013, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/88 "2013-05-19T20:05:45Z")
Had they shown those seat belts on the Enterprise in the previous movie? Because I was unreasonably excited that they existed. ---
**Author:** ![magnusblitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@magnusblitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magnusblitz)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2013, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/89 "2013-05-19T20:11:00Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > I disagree with the idea Cummerbatch was a good Khan, to the extent that I am wondering what movie you people were watching. He was a terrible choice, utterly unsuitable for a role that was poorly written. (Why would be introduce himself as Khan? His name is Khan Noonian Singh.). I’m sick of “skinny British serious guy” as the go to villain, especially for a guy who’s supposed to be, you know, Asian, and really should LOOK more physically imposing. He did his best, but he was not the right actor. I agree with you here. Cumberbatch has a good gravitas on screen, but he made for a terrible Khan. Yeah, it was a bit weird having Khan (supposedly an Indian) played by a Mexican guy in the 60s, but given the way the times were they can get away with it. But having a white guy play an Indian character in 2013? He also doesn’t look or act anything like Montalban, despite the fact it’s supposed to be the same exact guy, which is actually more egregious in my opinion. They get a lot of people who look like and can copy the mannerisms of the originals - I think Quinto/Spock and Urban/Bones are good examples - but then they completely throw it out the window with Khan. Aside from that issue, I’ve seen people compare Cumberbatch’s role as similar to Javier Bardem in Skyfall, and I can see the similarities - including the negatives. He might have some good gravitas when the camera is up in his face giving him the chance to snarl and something intimidating, but he’s completely unimposing in a fight scene. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2013, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/90 "2013-05-19T20:24:38Z")
Quinto’s former HEROES co-star [Sendhil Ramamurthy](http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/25600000/Sendhil-Ramamurthy-Shirtless-on-Covert-Affairs-hottest-actors-25685171-814-1222.jpg) would have made a great Khan. ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2013, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/91 "2013-05-19T20:46:32Z")
Just came back from seeing this. I enjoyed it, for what it was, but my GF and I walked out of it with the exact same thought: shouldn’t it have been a bigger deal that they essentially discovered the cure for death? ---
**Author:** ![beowulff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beowulff/32/542_2.png) [@beowulff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beowulff)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2013, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/92 "2013-05-19T21:18:49Z")
Just got back from seeing it. I enjoyed it, while my wife thought that it was too much of a “boy’s” film (too many explosions, not enough decent dialog). Huge plot holes everywhere, most of which I can overlook, but _a communicator call from Kronos to Earth_? Ugh. Also, I really didn’t like the “rogue Admiral” story line. I can accept Starfleet section 31, but this guy is willing (eager?) to destroy a starship and it’s entire crew? Who needs Kahn when you have that? ---
**Author:** ![Indyellen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/indyellen/32/4176_2.png) [@Indyellen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Indyellen)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2013, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/93 "2013-05-19T21:44:22Z")
Just got home from seeing this. Somehow I had missed the leak about Harrison/Khan, but I wasn’t surprised much by the twist. After the movie, my comment was, “Well, that was upside-down world” regarding the Kirk/Spock radiation stuff (and the yell. Good Grief!) I will note, however, that my daughter (who has never seen WoK), did not find it confusing and appreciated it as it was. I love Cumberbatch as an actor, but part of the time I felt it was like Khan Holmes. Maybe not the best casting. I enjoyed it; I didn’t think it was a waste of money, but I definitely liked the first one better. ---
**Author:** ![mutantmoose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a87d85/32.png) [@mutantmoose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mutantmoose)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2013, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/94 "2013-05-19T21:51:01Z")
If they are just setting off on the first five year mission at the end of the film, how come they have already encountered tribbles? ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2013, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/95 "2013-05-19T22:01:36Z")
> [@mutantmoose](#): > > If they are just setting off on the first five year mission at the end of the film, how come they have already encountered tribbles? You missed the tribbles in the first one? On Scotty’s desk/work tables at the snow planet base. No one ever said tribbles didn’t exist before Carnival Jones or whatever his name was ran into the Enterprise crew. They were obviously discovered by a different branching of exploration in the Trek2 universe. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2013, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/96 "2013-05-19T22:59:20Z")
Did a double feature today. Iron Man 3 and then Star Trek. Liked 'em both. “My name is Khan”. No, your name is Khan Noonian Singh. Say the whole thing, motherfucker. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2013, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/97 "2013-05-20T00:51:15Z")
And they must have done a hell of a coverup at the end. Huge black starship? Entire crew hears Marcus is a bad guy? And is the rest of the world just sitting around saying “So what ever happened with that terrorist guy? Did we ever get him?” ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2013, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/98 "2013-05-20T01:00:58Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > No, your name is Khan Noonian Singh. Say the whole thing, motherfucker. Agree. If that was to be the big reveal, it played out like… “I am your… blood relative, Lukey boy!” ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2013, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/99 "2013-05-20T01:02:43Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > And they must have done a hell of a coverup at the end. Huge black starship? Entire crew hears Marcus is a bad guy? And is the rest of the world just sitting around saying “So what ever happened with that terrorist guy? Did we ever get him?” Given that the death toll in San Fran had to be at least 50k (given the number of large buildings and blocks completely obliterated), I can’t see that there could possibly be any cover-up. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2013, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528/100 "2013-05-20T01:04:32Z")
I love Star Trek, but am mostly familiar with Next Gen and DS9 (sigh…and Voyager.) I am not super familiar with the original Star Trek so I didn’t have any fangirl expectations or preconceptions going into the film. I enjoyed it so much that I’d say it’s battling \*\*X-Men 2 \*\*for Best Action Movie Ever. The casting is pitch-perfect. I loved the action scene where the Enterprise was spinning out of control and the center of gravity kept shifting. Also when Spock was chasing Khan and did a running jump off of that transport vehicle to land on the one passing beneath him. Total blind jump. I just thought it was beautifully choreographed and managed to hit all the right notes in character development. I also watched The Wrath of Khan for the first time today - the only original cast Star Trek movie I’ve seen. I had no idea Spock died. How I lived to be 30 years old without having that spoiled for me, I will never know, but it came as a complete surprise. WoK held up pretty well though for being three decades old. And I like how they reversed the roles for the reboot. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-into-darkness-seen-it-thread-spoilers-to-follow/658528.md?page=6)