# Star Trek: Nemesis !!! SPOILER !!! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 25, 2002, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-nemesis-spoiler/144896 "2002-12-25T22:35:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2002, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-nemesis-spoiler/144896/21 "2002-12-26T02:24:03Z")
How could you possibly not be aware that Data croaks? I came upon the news inadvertently months ago. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2002, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-nemesis-spoiler/144896/22 "2002-12-26T02:46:30Z")
Don’t tell **Achemar** about Data. 😉 **Tars** thinks we’re all still in the other thread. ---
**Author:** ![Achernar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e274bd/32.png) [@Achernar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achernar)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2002, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-nemesis-spoiler/144896/23 "2002-12-26T03:25:11Z")
Well, since I was the first person on this board to post anything about Data’s death, I wouldn’t worry too much about spoiling it for me. I feel very sorry for people who had it spoiled. That scene really touched me. Especially the first time I saw it. I think I’m going to suggest a sticky about Spoilers in About This Message Board. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2002, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-nemesis-spoiler/144896/24 "2002-12-26T03:31:11Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Achernar \* > \*\* { # 1 } Well, since I was the first person on this board to post anything about Data’s death, I wouldn’t worry too much about spoiling it for me. > > { # 2 } I think I’m going to suggest a sticky about Spoilers in About This Message Board. \*\* #1- That’s how I remembered it, too. Which is why I toungue in cheek referenced you… 🙂 #2- Great Idea! But, I would suggest the sticky be in Cafe. e-mail a mod about #2, I’ll do it too. ---
**Author:** ![Achernar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e274bd/32.png) [@Achernar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achernar)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2002, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-nemesis-spoiler/144896/25 "2002-12-26T03:58:45Z")
Er, what I meant was, I was going to suggest in ATMB a sticky about spoilers [in CS]. With a thread. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2002, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-nemesis-spoiler/144896/26 "2002-12-26T04:08:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Achernar \* > \*\*Er, what I meant was, I was going to suggest in ATMB a sticky about spoilers [in CS]. With a thread. 🙂 \*\* Oh. Well, I will post to it. With gusto. (If he made it back from Mexico yet) ---
**Author:** ![lynn73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@lynn73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lynn73)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2002, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-nemesis-spoiler/144896/27 "2002-12-26T13:25:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by NoClueBoy \* > \*\*to post a spoiler: > > use the 's > > in front of point you are about to make (PYAATM) type in _spoiler_ in between the [and the]. > > at the end of PYJM (point you just made), type in / then the word _spoiler_, no spaces between / and _spoiler_, all in between [and] > > no spaces > > or make it REAL big in the thread title > > sabe? \*\* Thanks much for the info. You know the thead title does say spoiler in it so if someone doesn’t want to know, they shouldn’t enter the thread, right? Or am I mistaken? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2002, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-nemesis-spoiler/144896/28 "2002-12-26T13:42:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by His4ever \* > \*\*Thanks much for the info. You know the thead title does say spoiler in it so if someone doesn’t want to know, they shouldn’t enter the thread, right? Or am I mistaken? \*\* The “spoiler” was added to the thread afterward. Originally it just said **Star Trek: Nemesis !!!** , inviting unwary fans who might be planning to check out the movie later this week to wander in and have the ending blown for them. This is why I don’t click on threads with movie titles in them if I plan to pay to see that movie in the near future. I deliberately stayed away from all _Nemesis_ threads until I’d seen it, as well as all _Enterprise_ episode threads, until I’d seen that particular episode. It’s safer that way. In any event, the trailers for this movie kept saying “some will live, some will die” and since Brent Spiner really is getting too old to play Data (or at least to play the same Data he did in _Encounter at Farpoint_) I figured he’d get wasted. I have to object to the use of the word “some”, though, since only **one** member of the main cast died and “some” has always implied “more than one” to me. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2002, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-nemesis-spoiler/144896/29 "2002-12-28T13:54:40Z")
By the way, Data’s not dead. He just needs to be defragged. ---
**Author:** ![Diceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Diceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diceman)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2002, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-nemesis-spoiler/144896/30 "2002-12-28T17:25:26Z")
**_ATTENTION!_ I WILL ATTEMPT TO ANSWER THE OP!** I was discussing the movie with a friend at work. He hadn’t seen the movie, but he guessed that it was going to be Data who died. Supposedly, Brent Spinner wants out of the Star Trek franchise. B4 is, of course, a kind of “backup device” in case the ST guys can talk Brent into a part in a future movie or series. ---
**Author:** ![Heloise](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e36b37/32.png) [@Heloise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heloise)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2002, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-nemesis-spoiler/144896/31 "2002-12-28T18:11:33Z")
**Bryan Ekers** , if you wanted to be picky, one could say that “some” did die, but just one of the main cast. The poor guy who got sucked into space would say that he mattered! Poor fella! No one wants to think about him! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2002, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-nemesis-spoiler/144896/32 "2002-12-28T20:42:36Z")
Didn’t at some point early in TNG, data say that his body was programmed to appear to age as a normal human would to better fit into human society, or something like that? I figured they were setting up a fix for this very consistency problem. ---
**Author:** ![Silentgoldfish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@Silentgoldfish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silentgoldfish)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2002, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-nemesis-spoiler/144896/33 "2002-12-28T20:59:55Z")
Just in the trailers Spiner is looking way to … saggy… to play a convincing android without some plot device to explain why he’s started aging and putting on weight. Him and Matthew Perry should get a series together. A Deep Space Nine movie would be neat, I think, but as for the other series: Eh. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2002, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-nemesis-spoiler/144896/34 "2002-12-29T05:40:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Bryan Ekers \* > \*\*By the way, Data’s not dead. > > He just needs to be defragged. \*\* Heh: 'Cause he was blown up into FRAG-ments with the rest of that ship, right? \ But seriously, folks: Death in _Star Trek_ no longer holds any meaning for me. **Anyone** can be brought back to life. They brought Spock back to life in ST3. They brought Tasha Yar back to life as a half-Romulan brat. They brought Kirk back to life and then killed him **again.** And, of course, when (as the OP has spoiled it) they killed Data, they made sure to have a back-up Baby Data around so that they could bring him back to life any time they wanted to. _Yawn_. Death in the _Star Trek_ universe seems no more permanent than death in a high-level D&D campaign. Just have your 10th level cleric cast _raise dead_, or pay 6000 gold pieces to have an NPC 10th level cleric cast _raise dead_, and **boom** , your old comrade is back to life and on the road to recovery. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2002, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-nemesis-spoiler/144896/35 "2002-12-29T23:34:18Z")
I realize most people try to block Voyager from their memories, but what about Kes? I quit watching the show after the fourth or fifth season but I don’t remember hearing anything about her coming back after she suddenly became a Q or whatever. ---
**Author:** ![Diceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Diceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diceman)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2002, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-nemesis-spoiler/144896/36 "2002-12-30T01:46:30Z")
I don’t remember Kes returning. I thought that the last we saw of her was when she turned into an energy being (or whatever that B.S. was). ---
**Author:** ![sturmhauke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@sturmhauke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sturmhauke)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2002, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-nemesis-spoiler/144896/37 "2002-12-30T01:54:34Z")
Kes returned briefly to beat the crap out of Voyager because she was bitter over being left behind in favor of Seven of Nine. I don’t remember what happened after that. ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2002, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-nemesis-spoiler/144896/38 "2002-12-30T02:04:45Z")
> [@](#): > > They brought Kirk back to life and then killed him again. All in the same movie, yet! ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2002, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-nemesis-spoiler/144896/39 "2002-12-30T03:26:33Z")
Thanks, Sturmhauke. That has to be the cheesiest thing I’ve ever read. Thank god I quit watching. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2002, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-nemesis-spoiler/144896/40 "2002-12-30T05:14:48Z")
You know, of all the characters they’ve killed off in the various _Star Trek_s, I think I miss [Ensign Throwaway](http://pinky.wtower.com/mst3k/cgi/mstdisplay.pl?htmlmode=off&filename=away_from_home.01.MBed.txt) the most. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-nemesis-spoiler/144896.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-nemesis-spoiler/144896.md?page=3)