# Star Trek Nemesis: Whoopi snubbed? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 31, 2004, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-nemesis-whoopi-snubbed/247881 "2004-05-31T02:58:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2004, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-nemesis-whoopi-snubbed/247881/1 "2004-05-31T02:58:16Z")
I just got around to seeing _Star Trek: Nemesis_ today, and I was surprised when the credits rolled that Whoopi Goldberg’s name was nowhere to be seen. Hell, Wil Wheaton got a credit, and he barely managed to get his dorky mug onscreen at all. At least Whoopi had a line. What gives? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2004, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-nemesis-whoopi-snubbed/247881/2 "2004-05-31T03:16:00Z")
Maybe she has the same agent as Judson Scott. ---
**Author:** ![drewbert](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drewbert/32/15890_2.png) [@drewbert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewbert)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2004, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-nemesis-whoopi-snubbed/247881/3 "2004-05-31T03:31:43Z")
She was also uncredited in [Generations](http://imdb.com/title/tt0111280/fullcredits). IIRC, that was at her request. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2004, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-nemesis-whoopi-snubbed/247881/4 "2004-05-31T04:06:39Z")
I believe that the rules are if you have a speaking part, you get a credit. If she wasn’t in the credits then that had to be arranged and approved by her. ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2004, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-nemesis-whoopi-snubbed/247881/5 "2004-05-31T04:27:29Z")
> [@Zebra](#): > > I believe that the rules are if you have a speaking part, you get a credit. That’s why I thought it was so weird: she _did_ have a speaking part (if only one line), while Wil Wheaton, who was credited, did not. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2004, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-nemesis-whoopi-snubbed/247881/6 "2004-05-31T06:33:05Z")
Actors can request no credit. Ethan Phillips did the same thing in **First Contact**. I believe Wheaton had filmed a scene with actual lines in it, and then they cut it before the final print. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2004, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-nemesis-whoopi-snubbed/247881/7 "2004-05-31T14:30:27Z")
> [@Zebra](#): > > I believe that the rules are if you have a speaking part, you get a credit. > > If she wasn’t in the credits then that had to be arranged and approved by her. It’s my understanding that the credits are negotiated along with the salary and such. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2004, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-nemesis-whoopi-snubbed/247881/8 "2004-05-31T16:06:53Z")
I think SAG the Screen Actors Guild has some standard rules for credit. Then you can negotiate on top of those rules. So I think if you speak you get a credit is a SAG rule. ---
**Author:** ![JThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e95f7d/32.png) [@JThunder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JThunder)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2004, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-nemesis-whoopi-snubbed/247881/9 "2004-05-31T16:43:29Z")
Like **vivalostwages** said, actors can sometimes choose to go uncredited. Henry Winkler, for example, had a fairly significant role in the remake of _Children of the Da_… (er, _Darned_), yet his name appeared nowhere in the credits. ---
**Author:** ![JThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e95f7d/32.png) [@JThunder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JThunder)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2004, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-nemesis-whoopi-snubbed/247881/10 "2004-05-31T16:49:49Z")
Sorry. I was thinking of _Scream_, not _Children of the (ahem) Darned_. Also, the remake was actually titled “_Village of the Darned_.” (“_Children…_” was the sequel to the original _Village…_ movie.) ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2004, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-nemesis-whoopi-snubbed/247881/11 "2004-05-31T17:02:52Z")
Billy Crystal and Robin Williams didn’t get a credit either. (I love those _Star Trek Relief_ shows!) For that matter, neither did I! Dr Laura claims to have been in a Trek (according to our own **Ivylass** , and yet she isn’t listed in any of the lists I’ve ever come across. Sometimes (in movies, anyways) the actor opts out for some reason or another. On TV, it usually has to be a significant role to get on screen credit, but the actor’s names can usually be found somewhere, esp now that we have the internet on computers and whotnot. ---
**Author:** ![Darkhold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/90db22/32.png) [@Darkhold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darkhold)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2004, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-nemesis-whoopi-snubbed/247881/12 "2004-05-31T17:57:09Z")
I’ve always wondered why an actor would request their name not be in the credits. It’s not like say a director using Alan Smithee. You never see the director so you’ll have to go look it up if you’re curious. I don’t think too many people will say “Oh that wasn’t Whoopi her name wasn’t in the credits!” ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2004, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-nemesis-whoopi-snubbed/247881/13 "2004-05-31T20:12:28Z")
> [@JThunder](#): > > Sorry. I was thinking of _Scream_, not _Children of the (ahem) Darned_. Also, the remake was actually titled “_Village of the Darned_.” (“_Children…_” was the sequel to the original _Village…_ movie.) Would you also say that Buffy Summers lived near a Heckmouth? ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2004, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-nemesis-whoopi-snubbed/247881/14 "2004-05-31T20:29:00Z")
_Well!_ Such language! SEV? ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2004, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-nemesis-whoopi-snubbed/247881/15 "2004-05-31T20:30:21Z")
> [@Darkhold](#): > > I’ve always wondered why an actor would request their name not be in the credits. Sometimes if it’s a cameo done as a favor for the director or because the actor really wants to be involved or what-have-you the actor will just do a day’s work and not request credit. Other times the actor may have a dispute with the director and ask that his name be taken off. IIRC that was the situation with Don Cheadle on _Ocean’s Eleven_. ---
**Author:** ![Glory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/7cd45c/32.png) [@Glory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Glory)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2004, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-nemesis-whoopi-snubbed/247881/16 "2004-05-31T20:37:34Z")
If that’s true, they seem to have made up. Don Cheadle is listed in the cast of Ocean’s 12. ---
**Author:** ![dantheman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dantheman/32/9421_2.png) [@dantheman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dantheman)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2004, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-nemesis-whoopi-snubbed/247881/17 "2004-05-31T22:32:15Z")
> [@Glory](#): > > If that’s true, they seem to have made up. Don Cheadle is listed in the cast of Ocean’s 12. That’s true, but it might just be temporary. IMDb just lists the cast without noting whether an actor is appearing uncredited up till the time that the movie’s actually released. ---
**Author:** ![Glory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/7cd45c/32.png) [@Glory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Glory)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2004, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-nemesis-whoopi-snubbed/247881/18 "2004-05-31T23:28:13Z")
I just thought, it doesn’t appear very likely that Don Cheadle was so upset with Steven Soderbergh’s direction he refused to allow his name in the credits considering he agreed to appear in the sequel (also directed by Steven Soderbergh). I would guess that there is another reason that Don Cheadle appeared uncredited besides pique at the director. ---
**Author:** ![dantheman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dantheman/32/9421_2.png) [@dantheman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dantheman)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2004, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-nemesis-whoopi-snubbed/247881/19 "2004-05-31T23:35:32Z")
Well, what I’m saying is that the IMDb simply lists the actors who (as far as they know) appear in the film, credit or not. After a film’s come out, if an actor was uncredited they’ll adjust their entry accordingly. But right now, it’s not certain if he’s going to be credited or not, at least based on the IMDb entry. ---
**Author:** ![Glory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/7cd45c/32.png) [@Glory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Glory)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2004, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-nemesis-whoopi-snubbed/247881/20 "2004-05-31T23:41:15Z")
Sorry, I’m not talking about whether or not he will be credited in Ocean’s 12. I was responding to Otto’s statement that Don Cheadle chose to be uncredited due to his anger at the director. I don’t think it’s very likely that he chose to be uncredited in Ocean’s 11 because he was angry at the director, considering he signed up to do a second film with the same person. I am curious, but it doesn’t sound like that’s the reason. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-nemesis-whoopi-snubbed/247881.md?page=2)