# Star Trek novels: Was the Doomsday Machine ever referenced? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 29, 2004, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-novels-was-the-doomsday-machine-ever-referenced/282134 "2004-12-29T19:17:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/earl_snake-hips_tucker/32/3269_2.png) [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earl_Snake-Hips_Tucker)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2004, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-novels-was-the-doomsday-machine-ever-referenced/282134/1 "2004-12-29T19:17:55Z")
DUUUH-duh, DUUUH-duh, DUUUH-duh, DUUUUUUUUH-duh. . . I know there are a ton of books out there. Did anyone ever come up with a back story? ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2004, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-novels-was-the-doomsday-machine-ever-referenced/282134/2 "2004-12-29T19:21:32Z")
one of the TNG books dealing with the Borg assimilating a human before “The Comfy Borg” (7 of 9) and her family were assimilated referenced the P.K. as an anti-Borg weapon created by a group of ancients who escaped the assimilation of their planet don’t remember the name of the book, but it also featured an assimilated Ferengi if i remember correctly… ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2004, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-novels-was-the-doomsday-machine-ever-referenced/282134/3 "2004-12-29T19:45:47Z")
_Vendetta_ by Peter David. His only bad Star Trek novel. Well, _Imzadi II_ wasn’t very good either but it didn’t suck quite as hard. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_Rhosis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d9b06d/32.png) [@Sir\_Rhosis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_Rhosis)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2004, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-novels-was-the-doomsday-machine-ever-referenced/282134/4 "2004-12-29T21:35:49Z")
Emerson Bixby, Jerome’s son, sells his unfilmed Voyager scripts on ebay. He and his dad (before Jerome’s death) tried to sell a follow-up to this ep, set in the Delta Quadrant. Votager encounters a Planet Killer cornucopia. Tom Paris creates a holodeck Jim Kirk (the Bixbys, in the script, seemed to think it could be done soley by “Forrest Gumping” old footage of Shatner and by having Shatner record new lines) to help them defeat it. Sir Rhosis ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2004, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-novels-was-the-doomsday-machine-ever-referenced/282134/5 "2004-12-29T22:04:54Z")
What was wrong with **Vendetta?** ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2004, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-novels-was-the-doomsday-machine-ever-referenced/282134/6 "2004-12-29T23:34:48Z")
> [@Sir Rhosis](#): > > Emerson Bixby, Jerome’s son, sells his unfilmed Voyager scripts on ebay. He and his dad (before Jerome’s death) tried to sell a follow-up to this ep, set in the Delta Quadrant. Votager encounters a Planet Killer cornucopia. Tom Paris creates a holodeck Jim Kirk (the Bixbys, in the script, seemed to think it could be done soley by “Forrest Gumping” old footage of Shatner and by having Shatner record new lines) to help them defeat it. > > Sir Rhosis What was he going to do, retrieve Decker, Jr. from V’ger, and have him fly a booby-trapped shuttle down it’s throat (hey, it worked the first time)? ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2004, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-novels-was-the-doomsday-machine-ever-referenced/282134/7 "2004-12-29T23:41:58Z")
> [@rjung](#): > > What was wrong with **Vendetta?** It’s been about a decade since I’ve read it so I don’t remember much about it other than hating it and being shocked when I reread the cover to see Peter David wrote it when all of the other books I had read by him had easily been some of the best I’d ever read. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_Rhosis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d9b06d/32.png) [@Sir\_Rhosis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_Rhosis)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2004, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-novels-was-the-doomsday-machine-ever-referenced/282134/8 "2004-12-30T00:34:41Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > What was he going to do, retrieve Decker, Jr. from V’ger, and have him fly a booby-trapped shuttle down it’s throat (hey, it worked the first time)? Actually my memory was faulty. I just glanced through the script. The Borg are approaching and Voyager comes upon the dead drifting hulk of the P. K. that Kirk and Decker disabled. They decide that if they can reactivate it they can use it to defeat the Borg. Paris gives all of them a history lesson on Kirk’s encounter with the P. K. He then creates a computer simulation of Kirk to help reactivate the dead P. K. (though a holo-Scotty would be better, one would think). Long story short: Kirk flirts with B’Ellana, Paris hates him. Paris idly mentions that he has an Edith Keeler program also. Tuvok tells him it is taking up needed space in the computer. Janeway’s holo-lover dies. Seven reveals her “love that must not speak its name” for Janeway. Janeway is shocked and stunned at Seven’s revelation. Kirk using a holoemitter goes aboard the P. K. to a control/computer room, gets the P. K. up and running, defeats the Borg. Vorek is killed. Kirk then refuses to be deactivated and decides to ride the P. K. through space. Paris tells Tuvok he was right, the Edith Keeler program is taking up too much space and he then transfers it to the P. K. computer. Kirk smiles as a holographic person appears off screen. Aboard Voyager, Seven begins to apologize to Janeway for her feelings toward her, but Janeway puts her fingers to Seven’s lips and says love should never be sorry, then softly calls her Annika. Fade out. It’s pretty bad, you pay the postage and I’ll give it to you. Sir Rhosis ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2004, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-novels-was-the-doomsday-machine-ever-referenced/282134/9 "2004-12-30T00:47:31Z")
Holy … wow. That’s … I don’t even know. What the…?! Janeway/Seven slash!?! My eyes. And more articulately: How would Paris know about Keeler? I doubt Kirk would have mentioned her in his log other than being pivotal to the timeline. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_Rhosis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d9b06d/32.png) [@Sir\_Rhosis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_Rhosis)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2004, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-novels-was-the-doomsday-machine-ever-referenced/282134/10 "2004-12-30T01:00:35Z")
It is very slash-ish. I do exaggerate somewhat. At the end, they’re on the holodeck at Michael Hologuy’s grave. Seven apologizes for her feelings, says she feels regreat for burdening Janeway with her feelings of love for her. From the unfilmed script, DOOMSDAY MACHINE II, by Emerson Bixby and Michael Heister, story by Emerson Bixby and Jerome Bixby, a small excerpt, for use in a review only, no violation of copyright intended, etc., etc.: Janeway places her fingers over Seven’s lips JANEWAY: Regret. . . ? (shakes her head) Embrace the moment, Seven… what you feel is special. SEVEN: And you? Are the feelings mutual? LONG moment… Janeway looking into Seven’s eyes… finally turns to look down at Michael’s grave. JANEWAY: Annika… how do you feel? SEVEN (beat – soft) Human… I feel human. Fade out. The end. Do you want the script, Aesiron? Please, I’ll pay somebody to take it! Actually, Emerson Bixby seemed like a nice fellow, we corresponded some by email, mostly me asking him a couple questions about his dad. Sir Rhosis MODS, if the use of the script is not fair use, please delete. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2004, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-novels-was-the-doomsday-machine-ever-referenced/282134/11 "2004-12-30T01:05:50Z")
Hell no. I’ll pay you to keep it. Want my credit card number? It’s 7420 5746 5617 0100. Buy yourself something on Amazon. Just keep it away! ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_Rhosis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d9b06d/32.png) [@Sir\_Rhosis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_Rhosis)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2004, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-novels-was-the-doomsday-machine-ever-referenced/282134/12 "2004-12-30T01:10:27Z")
^^^And I thought you were my friend… I just bought a boat. Hope you don’t mind. Earl, sorry for the hijack. I’m done. Sir Rhosis ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2004, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-novels-was-the-doomsday-machine-ever-referenced/282134/13 "2004-12-30T01:31:33Z")
He just reactivates the thing? Wasn’t the PK scoured out down to the invulnerable neutronium hull by a matter/antimattaer explosion that took place inside it? ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2004, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-novels-was-the-doomsday-machine-ever-referenced/282134/14 "2004-12-30T01:34:31Z")
This is the same show that had limitless photon torpedoes and shuttles despite firing two or three an episode and losing half a dozen EVA craft them a year, **Ogre**. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_Rhosis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d9b06d/32.png) [@Sir\_Rhosis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_Rhosis)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2004, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-novels-was-the-doomsday-machine-ever-referenced/282134/15 "2004-12-30T01:49:41Z")
They offer a technobabble reason, something to the effect that only the secondary systems were destroyed by Kirk and Decker, but a forcefield protected the main systems in the P. K. The mains were knocked offline by Kirk and Decker, but not destroyed. Voyager hides inside the P. K, where the old Constellation still is. Kirk is created to help get the main P. K. systems back online so they can destroy the Borg with them. Ogre, do you want the script. . .? Sir Rhosis ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2004, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-novels-was-the-doomsday-machine-ever-referenced/282134/16 "2004-12-30T01:51:45Z")
…still is? After an M/AM explosion? It just gets worse. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_Rhosis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d9b06d/32.png) [@Sir\_Rhosis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_Rhosis)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2004, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-novels-was-the-doomsday-machine-ever-referenced/282134/17 "2004-12-30T01:57:16Z")
Well, they say that only the saucer and one nacelle of the Constellation are recognizable, the rest is charred and blasted right into the inner wall of the P. K. God, I’m actually reading this script again. Sir Rhosis ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2004, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-novels-was-the-doomsday-machine-ever-referenced/282134/18 "2004-12-30T02:09:58Z")
Wuh? It wasn’t completely vaporized in a M/AM explosion? And hell no. If you try to foist that off on me, I may have to become violent…ly ill. Ick. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2004, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-novels-was-the-doomsday-machine-ever-referenced/282134/19 "2004-12-30T02:15:20Z")
See, I can totally see them creating a totally new super-ship inside the hull of the thing. Y’know, super-secret Starfleet project uncovered by Our Heroes when they respond to a distress signal and find the blueprints being smuggled out on the computer of a mysteriously disabled and phaser-charred smuggler vessel. Starfleet Hawk/Dove conspiracies abound, yadda yadda yadda. Climaxes in a grand old-fashioned starship battle spiralling around the now almost-functional superweapon. Yeah, I know it’s awful, but it’s better than Seven/Janeway slash and a plot that makes Decker’s heroic death absolutely pointless. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2004, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-novels-was-the-doomsday-machine-ever-referenced/282134/20 "2004-12-30T02:38:27Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > This is the same show that had limitless photon torpedoes and shuttles It is canon that they mined materials and manufactured shuttles. Presumably tordepoes too. Don’t dis Admiral Janeway’s Show. People who dis Admiral Janeway have issues with their Mothers. I haven’t seen my .65 cents postage fot the DVD yet, space scum. 🙂 [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-novels-was-the-doomsday-machine-ever-referenced/282134.md?page=2)