# Star Trek: Picard discussion thread
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-discussion-thread/835529
**Category:** Cafe Society
**Created:** [June 14, 2019, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-discussion-thread/835529 "2019-06-14T22:58:35Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)
#### Post date: [June 14, 2019, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-discussion-thread/835529/1 "2019-06-14T22:58:35Z")
The upcoming CBS All Access series _Star Trek: Picard_, starring Patrick Stewart as Captain Jean-Luc Picard from _Star Trek: The Next Generation_, is reportedly scoring 75 to 80% negative in early test screenings. According to Bounding Into Comics, showrunner Alex Kurtzman has been fired and barred from the set.
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> The rumor comes from Gary Buechler aka Nerdrotic. Buechler notes a Star Trek insider contacted him and told him, “Kurtzman has been fired. He is refusing to give up the title but there are 3 producers who have taken over as showrunners.”
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> The source adds, “He has been replaced. He is refusing to lose the title but there are three other producer who are exercising his functions. He is not even allowed on set. He has been Orci’ed.”
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> Buechler notes that things behind the scenes have appeared to change as Netflix allegedly passed on the upcoming Star Trek: Picard series. Amazon Prime Video secured the global rights for the Star Trek: Picard series. Each episode will air within 24 hours on Amazon Prime following the U.S. premiere on CBS All Access.
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> However, Buechler’s insider notes the show is not screening well. His insider tells him the show has “75 to 80% negativity. The 20% who tested positive were people who labeled themselves Abrams fans like it.”
> **[Rumor: Alex Kurtzman Fired By CBS - Test Shows For Star Trek: Picard Are...](https://boundingintocomics.com/2019/06/13/rumor-alex-kurtzman-fired-by-cbs-test-shows-for-star-trek-picard-are-horrible/)**
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> A new rumor indicates that CBS fired Executive Producer Alex Kurtzman from Star Trek. Another rumor indicates Star Trek: Picard test screenings are horrible.
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80% negative? Things don’t look too good for _Mon Capitaine_
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### Author:  [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)
#### Post date: [June 14, 2019, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-discussion-thread/835529/2 "2019-06-14T23:47:18Z")
Abrams fans like it?
It sucks.
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### Author:  [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)
#### Post date: [June 15, 2019, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-discussion-thread/835529/3 "2019-06-15T04:20:56Z")
Well, just remember how badly _Encounter at Farpoint_ sucked and try not to jump to early judgement.
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### Author:  [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)
#### Post date: [June 15, 2019, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-discussion-thread/835529/4 "2019-06-15T06:08:38Z")
And The Great Bird of the Galaxy continues to spin in his grave.
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### Author:  [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)
#### Post date: [June 15, 2019, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-discussion-thread/835529/5 "2019-06-15T07:06:28Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#):
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> Well, just remember how badly _Encounter at Farpoint_ sucked and try not to jump to early judgement.
I doubt even Q could save the show.
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### Author:  [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)
#### Post date: [June 15, 2019, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-discussion-thread/835529/6 "2019-06-15T07:09:01Z")
Damn! I should have expected this, but I didn’t. ☹
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### Author:  [@Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Face_Intentionally_Left_Blank)
#### Post date: [June 15, 2019, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-discussion-thread/835529/7 "2019-06-15T07:10:59Z")
I’m a Trek fan, but this sounds like a poor idea to me. I’ll watch an episode or 2, but I thik it’ll be like watching a train wreck, more morbid curiosity than pleasure.
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### Author:  [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)
#### Post date: [June 15, 2019, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-discussion-thread/835529/8 "2019-06-15T11:41:59Z")
Disappointing, but not unexpected. Star Trek has been fractured due franchising reasons, and can not be Star Trek, but must be somewhat off by design. They have to intentionally miss what Star Trek is.
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### Author:  [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)
#### Post date: [June 15, 2019, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-discussion-thread/835529/9 "2019-06-15T11:47:44Z")
I was concerned this new show would be dark & depressing. That seems like the trend for Trek these days.
I want to see Trek like it was done in TNG. A show that focused on adventure and exploration.
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### Author:  [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)
#### Post date: [June 15, 2019, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-discussion-thread/835529/10 "2019-06-15T12:32:02Z")
I mean, maybe it’s true? But that linked story is some bullshit.
Hell, at the end it asks if the rumor is ‘too good to be true’. That’s not exactly actually trying to report anything. It’s one of those rumor mongering stories you run to get clicks and revenue when there’s nothing else to run.
I know blogs aren’t journalism but still.
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### Author:  [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)
#### Post date: [June 15, 2019, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-discussion-thread/835529/11 "2019-06-15T13:11:46Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#):
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> Well, just remember how badly _Encounter at Farpoint_ sucked and try not to jump to early judgement.
\*Encounter at Farpoint \*was better than about 95% of other things on TV at the time. It only looks shabby compared to what came later.
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### Author:  [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)
#### Post date: [June 15, 2019, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-discussion-thread/835529/12 "2019-06-15T15:48:10Z")
> [@aceplace57](#):
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> I want to see Trek like it was done in TNG. A show that focused on adventure and exploration.
_The Orville_ is oldschool TNG, positivity and all.
Many Trek alumni have guest starred (or even are regular characters)
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### Author:  [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)
#### Post date: [June 15, 2019, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-discussion-thread/835529/13 "2019-06-15T15:59:08Z")
Orci’ed?
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### Author:  [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)
#### Post date: [June 15, 2019, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-discussion-thread/835529/14 "2019-06-15T16:04:12Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#):
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> Orci’ed?
A reference to this guy, who eventually parted ways with Kurtzman, apparently over creative differences: [Roberto Orci | Memory Alpha | Fandom](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Roberto_Orci)
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### Author:  [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)
#### Post date: [June 15, 2019, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-discussion-thread/835529/15 "2019-06-15T16:31:56Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> A reference to this guy, who eventually parted ways with Kurtzman, apparently over creative differences: [Roberto Orci | Memory Alpha | Fandom](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Roberto_Orci)
Thank you.
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### Author:  [@Helena330](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helena330)
#### Post date: [June 15, 2019, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-discussion-thread/835529/16 "2019-06-15T17:52:15Z")
Did anyone see the trailer? I thought it didn’t bode well for the series. All it did was pan over rows of grapes in a vineyard, then show a wooden box with “Chateau Picard” written on it. Yawn. I’ll still watch every episode, though. :o
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### Author:  [@Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barbarian)
#### Post date: [June 15, 2019, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-discussion-thread/835529/17 "2019-06-15T19:08:14Z")
I’m not surprised, given Kurtzman’s record.
Trek needs to be run by someone who understands how Terry Pratchett felt about Hollywood.
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### Author:  [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)
#### Post date: [June 15, 2019, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-discussion-thread/835529/18 "2019-06-15T20:22:02Z")
What’s the point in firing the guy if they aren’t fixing it? If something screens that badly, you do edits.
The main thing the show has to do to be good for me is remain faithful to the Picard character. Sure, it can have him in a different place in life, or fed up with the Federation after the destruction of Romulus. Things have to be different in the Prime timeline after that. It he should feel like the same character, that he really was the idealist we eaw in his youth, and could be every bit as great as he was in the past.
What I have been worried about is that he would be Picard in name only and be too dark and grim, rather than about a man regaining his optimism and an organization rebuilding, while dealing with a huge fallout.
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### Author:  [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)
#### Post date: [June 15, 2019, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-discussion-thread/835529/19 "2019-06-15T22:45:10Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#):
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> \*Encounter at Farpoint \*was better than about 95% of other things on TV at the time. It only looks shabby compared to what came later.
No, it wasn’t. It was really, really poor. There was plenty on TV at the time that was much better. I almost didn’t continue watching TNG because of that episode (and actually gave up for a couple episodes after that stupid one with Tasha fighting for her life with the death claw).
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### Author:  [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)
#### Post date: [June 16, 2019, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-discussion-thread/835529/20 "2019-06-16T02:20:21Z")
Isn’t Patrick a coproducer or producer on this new show?
No one understands TNG like him. I can’t imagine him signing onto a project that isn’t good. Picard means too much to Patrick. He doesn’t want to be associated with a failure and have that be Picard’s last moment.
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