# Star Trek: Picard discussion thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 14, 2019, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-discussion-thread/835529 "2019-06-14T22:58:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-discussion-thread/835529/121 "2019-07-24T23:19:42Z")
> [@Aquadementia](#): > > I’d like Worf back, just to see him carry a disassembled Data on his back. If only you’d attached my legs, I wouldn’t be in this ridiculous position. Now remember, Worf, you have a responsibility to me, so don’t do anything foolish! Wait… wait. Oh, my! What have you done? I’m BACKWARDS. You flea-bitten son of a targ! Only an overgrown turtle-head like you would be stupid enough to… ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-discussion-thread/835529/122 "2019-07-25T02:23:32Z")
The whole “Savior/destroyer of the the galaxy!” thing isn’t very Trek. Its sorta BSG and is right up STDs alley. I think THEY have already encountered a couple of universe-level threats never mind galaxy level. Even the Q had to come up with some hamfisted method to destroy humanity. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-discussion-thread/835529/123 "2019-07-25T06:14:34Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Of course, everything the BQ is in after FC is a mess. Thanks, Voyager. Agreed. I have no problem with the Borg Queen in First Contact. Though my reason is different from yours: she only arose once they were back in time and cut off from the rest of the Collective and only had minimal Drones. We literally see her being created in front of us. So it makes sense to me that she’s not something that normally there. She’s there because of this isolated situation. With so few Drones, the Borg hive mind might not be as strong. Having a single leader to process everything though, while a weak point, might be necessary for their goal of assimilating so many people, while preventing them from being able to overpower the hive mind. Sure, she says she’s always been there. But we saw her being formed. So she must mean metaphorically or just running in the Hive. I’ve also had the fan theory that, similar to keeping Loqutus an individual, having an individual is sometimes seen as necessary to help make assimilation smoother, particularly in species that seem to have something the Borg don’t understand. (Pre-Locutus, the ability to jump to a place in the Galaxy and jump away. Afterwards, the ability to shut down their own systems.) Locutus was to help encourage voluntary surrender of humanity. The Borg Queen was so she could directly interact with Data, someone they needed to convince to be assimilated. That last part would work with the Borg Queen in Voyager, saying Seven needed to be convinced. But she took everything so personally, and had a specific vendetta against Janeway that it just didn’t work. I’m curious to see how Janeway taking out the Queen at the Borg Hub changes things, though. We saw that Queen being constructed, and it was back to the original Alice Kruge model. Hopefully they don’t make it where it took out the entire Borg. It should have had massive damage, spreading out, but further away Cubes should have had time to disconnect. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-discussion-thread/835529/124 "2019-07-25T06:40:22Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I was concerned this new show would be dark & depressing. That seems like the trend for Trek these days. > > I want to see Trek like it was done in TNG. A show that focused on adventure and exploration. If you want classic Trek like on TNG, check out The Orville. Seth MacFarlane gets it pretty close and he even has many Trek alumni as part of the show. ---
**Author:** ![blindboyard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blindboyard/32/2833_2.png) [@blindboyard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blindboyard)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-discussion-thread/835529/125 "2019-07-25T08:05:03Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > I don’t get how its Data. or B4 (even with Datas engrams) if thats B4s body we see dissasembled . > > I guess it ciuld be Data in B4 and something happened where Data demanded he be disassembled…or it could be Lore. I saw an interview with the cast of Picard on Youtube, and Spiner confirms that he will be playing Data and that the droid in the drawer is B4. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-discussion-thread/835529/126 "2019-07-25T14:35:04Z")
I’ve only seen bits and pieces of Voyager. Did Seven of Nine seem more “human” in the trailer than normal? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-discussion-thread/835529/127 "2019-07-25T14:36:48Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > I’ve only seen bits and pieces of Voyager. Did Seven of Nine seem more “human” in the trailer than normal? By my memory, yes. But IIRC, she gradually got more “human” over the course of the Voyager, as well (though I didn’t watch much of the last season or two). ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-discussion-thread/835529/128 "2019-07-25T15:07:42Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Agreed. I have no problem with the Borg Queen in First Contact. Though my reason is different from yours: she only arose once they were back in time and cut off from the rest of the Collective and only had minimal Drones. We literally see her being created in front of us. > > So it makes sense to me that she’s not something that normally there. She’s there because of this isolated situation. With so few Drones, the Borg hive mind might not be as strong. Having a single leader to process everything though, while a weak point, might be necessary for their goal of assimilating so many people, while preventing them from being able to overpower the hive mind. I like your theory, too. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-discussion-thread/835529/129 "2019-07-25T15:34:37Z")
I always assumed that she was just a specialized Borg-Data interface. The collective created her to mess with his head, nothing more. ---
**Author:** ![MeanJoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanjoe/32/5693_2.png) [@MeanJoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanJoe)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-discussion-thread/835529/130 "2019-07-25T16:53:55Z")
A.) The trailer for Picard has me really interested. B.) I’ve never watched The Orville but the comments here have me interested. I see I can stream Season 2 online from Fox but it does not appear Season 1 is available there and other sites are charging (i.e. Amazon Prime). Do I have to watch Season 1 to follow Season 2? ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-discussion-thread/835529/131 "2019-07-25T17:03:32Z")
The Orville is largely episodic so you don’t need to watch season 1. Be advised that the first couple episodes of season 2 are rather dreadful. ---
**Author:** ![Dongyang2016](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58f4c7/32.png) [@Dongyang2016](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dongyang2016)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-discussion-thread/835529/132 "2019-07-25T17:57:43Z")
My question is how did Patrick Stewart and/or the show get insurance based on Stewart’s health? The guy is or will be 79 years old. 79. Actually Stewart has exceeded the life expectancy of males in first world nations. Even if Patrick Stewart is healthy and lives to be 99, there is still the case that people that age get tired easily. Don’t know how many hours a day or week will be required of his services for the show, but he is the title character. I’m sorry but most eighty year old men wake up early, and have the sleep pattern of children, sleep after lunch and go to bed by nine. It also seems weird that someone of Patrick Stewart’s wealth (remember he did those comic book movies and other stuff) would want to do a show at his age. I’m sorry, but when I am freaking eighty years old, I know it will soon be curtains on me and I wouldn’t be working. But that’s me. I have hopes for the show. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-discussion-thread/835529/133 "2019-07-25T18:06:08Z")
> [@Dongyang2016](#): > > It also seems weird that someone of Patrick Stewart’s wealth (remember he did those comic book movies and other stuff) would want to do a show at his age. I’m sorry, but when I am freaking eighty years old, I know it will soon be curtains on me and I wouldn’t be working. But that’s me. > > I have hopes for the show. Most 80 year old people aren’t just sitting around expecting to keel over dead any second. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-discussion-thread/835529/134 "2019-07-25T18:52:43Z")
> [@Dongyang2016](#): > > My question is how did Patrick Stewart and/or the show get insurance based on Stewart’s health? The guy is or will be 79 years old. 79. Actually Stewart has exceeded the life expectancy of males in first world nations. > > Even if Patrick Stewart is healthy and lives to be 99, there is still the case that people that age get tired easily. Don’t know how many hours a day or week will be required of his services for the show, but he is the title character. I’m sorry but most eighty year old men wake up early, and have the sleep pattern of children, sleep after lunch and go to bed by nine. > > It also seems weird that someone of Patrick Stewart’s wealth (remember he did those comic book movies and other stuff) would want to do a show at his age. I’m sorry, but when I am freaking eighty years old, I know it will soon be curtains on me and I wouldn’t be working. But that’s me. > > I have hopes for the show. But 79 is fairly young for hoo-mans in the 24th century. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-discussion-thread/835529/135 "2019-07-25T18:58:46Z")
> [@Dongyang2016](#): > > My question is how did Patrick Stewart and/or the show get insurance based on Stewart’s health? The guy is or will be 79 years old. 79. Actually Stewart has exceeded the life expectancy of males in first world nations. Completion insurers will require a physical for all main actors, so rest assured he has been thoroughly poked and prodded. Just because he’s old doesn’t necessarily mean he’s unhealthy. And we have no idea how much the show will focus on him. It may be more of an ensemble than we are imagining from the trailer. > [@](#): > > It also seems weird that someone of Patrick Stewart’s wealth (remember he did those comic book movies and other stuff) would want to do a show at his age. I’m sorry, but when I am freaking eighty years old, I know it will soon be curtains on me and I wouldn’t be working. But that’s me. He is a guy who genuinely loves acting, and has a deep appreciation for the character and a genuine affection for the fans. Lots of people who really enjoy their jobs end up working until they drop. By comparison, William Shatner (who is certainly not in as good shape as Stewart) was acting full time on TV well into his 80s. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-discussion-thread/835529/136 "2019-07-25T18:59:00Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > I’ve only seen bits and pieces of Voyager. Did Seven of Nine seem more “human” in the trailer than normal? 7 had mellowed a lot by the final season. A romance with Chakotay was just beginning. I can’t remember if she was making sarcastic jokes yet. I can see her gradually becoming more human as time went on. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-discussion-thread/835529/137 "2019-07-25T19:32:30Z")
[Moderating] Merged threads. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-discussion-thread/835529/138 "2019-07-25T20:59:57Z")
> [@DinoR](#): > > …If they bring back much of the cast of TNG for anything but brief cameos I’m going to feel very, very stabby though. Worf and O’Brien get exceptions. In at least some of the official novels set after _Star Trek: Nemesis_, Worf becomes Picard’s First Officer aboard the _Enterprise_-E. > [@MeanJoe](#): > > …I’ve never watched The Orville… Do I have to watch Season 1 to follow Season 2? I would strongly recommend you watch S1 before watching S2. There’s a lot of important backstory and setup that will help S2 make more sense. If you can’t find it online, maybe buy the DVDs or borrow 'em from your local library? > [@aceplace57](#): > > 7 had mellowed a lot by the final season. A romance with Chakotay was just beginning. I can’t remember if she was making sarcastic jokes yet. I can see her gradually becoming more human as time went on. Agreed. By the end of VGR she was much looser and far more human than Borg, although she still had some Borg implants that couldn’t be removed. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-discussion-thread/835529/139 "2019-07-25T21:19:05Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > I would strongly recommend you watch S1 before watching S2. There’s a lot of important backstory and setup that will help S2 make more sense. If you can’t find it online, maybe buy the DVDs or borrow 'em from your local library? You can also find The Orville (both seasons) on iTunes. ---
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-discussion-thread/835529/140 "2019-07-25T21:37:49Z")
> [@Dongyang2016](#): > > My question is how did Patrick Stewart and/or the show get insurance based on Stewart’s health? The guy is or will be 79 years old. 79. Actually Stewart has exceeded the life expectancy of males in first world nations. Life expectancy **at birth** in the US is less than 79 years. But the life expectancy of an average 79-year old man is [almost 9 years](https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html). And that’s the _average_ American 79-year old man. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-discussion-thread/835529.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-discussion-thread/835529.md?page=8)