# Star Trek Picard Review **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, star-trek-paramount\ **Created:** [August 7, 2020, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-review/917458 "2020-08-07T00:47:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2022, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-review/917458/221 "2022-03-24T17:03:13Z")
I will give them this - that was the best callback ever. Starting to enjoy the season - hope it keeps it up. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2022, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-review/917458/222 "2022-03-24T18:37:59Z")
Picard never commanded the USS Enterprise in this reality, hence never went back in time to 1893 San Francisco and met Guinan. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2022, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-review/917458/223 "2022-03-24T19:36:34Z")
You’re right. If that Picard has gone back in time, he would have killed Mark Twain and kept the skull. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2022, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-review/917458/224 "2022-03-24T20:00:49Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Picard never commanded the USS Enterprise in this reality I would agree that it would be unlikely that he went back to 1893 in the altTimeline - but what evidence do you have to support he never commanded the enterprise? ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2022, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-review/917458/225 "2022-03-24T21:20:23Z")
Thats an awful headache to unravel since they are before the divergence. In order of likelihood i would place: The writers forgot or didnt care: 95% Guinan sees things differently so she doesn’t recognize Picard in his android body: 4% The timey-wimey convulation presented here (Which means Picard would have to fail until he decided on a course of action where Guinan recognized him…hmmm…I like that, but it wont happen) 1% edit: Btw…I think I read that the woman Q was talking to was a “Picard”…and we know ANOTHER Soong will show up in this series…FFS. They litter the timeline. I guess the timeline divergence is the failure or success of the Europa mission? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2022, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-review/917458/226 "2022-03-24T21:24:32Z")
3rd option - Guinan is able to jump to differerent time periods (The Nexus) and just hasn’t been to 1893 yet. (Is she the 15th Dr?) ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2022, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-review/917458/227 "2022-03-25T00:23:33Z")
Picard’s Confederation ship was called the CSS World Razer. It looked like the Ent-D but had a lot of military hardware bolted onto it. There was a painting of it in his study. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2022, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-review/917458/228 "2022-03-25T00:24:18Z")
thanks for the reminder. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2022, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-review/917458/229 "2022-03-25T02:42:33Z")
A couple of interesting articles: > **[Picard Season 2 Episode 4: The Biggest Star Trek Easter Eggs and References](https://www.denofgeek.com/tv/picard-season-2-episode-4-biggest-star-trek-easter-eggs-references/)** > > Picard Season 2 continues to probe the distant past of Star Trek canon and the deepest cuts are also the most game-changing. > **[Exclusive: 'Picard' showrunner reveals the time-meddling reason behind Star...](https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/picard-showrunner-guinan-2024-jean-luc-star-trek)** > > In 'Star Trek: Picard,' a new version of Guinan has appeared in 2024. But why doesn't she remember Jean-Luc Picard? Showrunner Terry Matalas has the answer. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2022, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-review/917458/230 "2022-03-25T03:10:27Z")
> [@Pavelb1](#): > > The writers forgot or didnt care: 95% The have added lots of little and obscure Easter eggs this season, so I doubt it. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2022, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-review/917458/231 "2022-03-25T13:07:48Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > A couple of interesting articles: > > [The Biggest Star Trek References in Picard S2E4 | Den of Geek](https://www.denofgeek.com/tv/picard-season-2-episode-4-biggest-star-trek-easter-eggs-references/) > > ['Picard' showrunner reveals the time-meddling reason behind Star Trek's new Guinan [Exclusive]](https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/picard-showrunner-guinan-2024-jean-luc-star-trek) The punk rocker being the same actor from The Voyage Home is pretty awesome. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2022, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-review/917458/232 "2022-03-25T13:33:21Z")
So the timeline was messed-up enough so that “Times Arrow” didn’t happen…but “The Voyage Home” did? Hey, I’m just going by the rules the showrunners have set. We’re several layers deep on time travel schenanigans now. I half expect Picard to pull a Rick and Morty (With Guinan being Morty’s Time Crystal) Picard: (Takes a step west) “You remember me now?” Guinan: “No” Picard: (Takes a step north) “Now?” ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2022, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-review/917458/233 "2022-03-25T13:37:00Z")
> [@Pavelb1](#): > > So the timeline was messed-up enough so that “Times Arrow” didn’t happen…but “The Voyage Home” did? No, The Voyage Home did not happen in this timeline, but the same actor from The Voyage Home who was the punk rocker did the same thing he did in that movie. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2022, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-review/917458/234 "2022-03-25T13:38:06Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > No, The Voyage Home did not happen in this timeline, but the same actor from The Voyage Home who was the punk rocker did the same thing he did in that movie. Except he clearly remembered the events from The Voyage Home - he grabbed his neck and apologized - “I just really like that song”. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2022, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-review/917458/235 "2022-03-25T13:39:17Z")
It was a in joke for the audience (it’s also a different song). ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2022, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-review/917458/236 "2022-03-25T13:46:06Z")
absolutely a callback for the audience - seemed like the same song, but I’ll give that. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2022, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-review/917458/237 "2022-03-25T19:02:25Z")
It was a fun episode for sure. Something that seems to have been missing in the Kurtzman Star Trek world. Maybe it was the director—Marty Mcfly’s mom, Lea Thompson. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2022, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-review/917458/238 "2022-03-25T19:03:10Z")
The song in “Voyage Home” was “I hate you”. The one in Picard was “I still hate you”. Anybody else notice the reference to “Jackson Roykirk” (Creator of the Nomad space probe) and “Chris Brynner”, the tech guy in the DS9 episode “Past Tense”? ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2022, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-review/917458/239 "2022-03-25T19:30:53Z")
I wish since we’re in in 2024 of the Trek universe…they would …how to put this…lean into highlighting the differences between our world and the timeline they’ve created. Rather then easter eggs. I think they’ve created a rich world but have barely touched it. Eugenics Wars, Khan, Nomad probe, WW3… Heh. I just looked it up and the Bell Riots take place in 2024 in San Fran. Maybe someone gets Sisko killed so someone has to take his place to become the Bell who became the Bell…but then the Dominion will win the war…or does that mean the war never starts??..ugh. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2022, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-review/917458/240 "2022-03-25T20:08:12Z")
So it would seem the Watcher is part the Aegis (the same people behind Gary Seven) or at least her technology at the end looked awful lot like the tech Gary used. I have loved the Easter eggs (I am sucker for that). Some have been really subtle (like all the Sanctuary District Signage looking like the Signage in the DS9 two parter and like how when they arrested Rios they mentioned the same kind of ID card that was in the DS9 episode). I also liked how they hung a lantern on the weird ending of last season by having Rios talk about how dumb it was. Smartly I think they just want to move on from it an pretend it didn’t happen. I have really enjoyed this season so far. It’s not perfect (Raffi is really really annoying this year and their attempt to turn her and Seven into a Buddy comedy seemed more desperate than funny) but I am curious to see where it goes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-review/917458.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-review/917458.md?page=13)