# Star Trek Picard Review **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, star-trek-paramount\ **Created:** [August 7, 2020, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-review/917458 "2020-08-07T00:47:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-review/917458/41 "2020-08-08T20:12:10Z")
> [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > Most critics aren’t long time Trek fans, _which the show is supposedly aimed at._ Well, now that is an interesting straw to grasp with. /s > [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > Because the average audience knew garbage when they saw it. Ghostbusters in 2016 got 74% from critics. Buy this misses the point that still stands. As critics go, most do disagree with Mr. Plinkett and most average viewers did like Pickard rather than Ghostbusters 2016 ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-review/917458/42 "2020-08-08T20:13:59Z")
> [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > Ends justify the means …whispered Himmler to himself… ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-review/917458/43 "2020-08-08T20:15:24Z")
Sisko is Himmler haha what a terrible reach ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-review/917458/44 "2020-08-08T20:22:40Z")
> Well, now that is an interesting straw to grasp with. /s Its also true considering its called Picard > Buy this misses the point that still stands. As critics go, most do disagree with Mr. Plinkett and most average viewers did like Pickard rather than Ghostbusters 2016 No it doesn’t. Again, Picards writing may be better than Ghostbusters but that doesn’t make Picard a good show, hell the Orville is better than Picard. ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-review/917458/45 "2020-08-08T20:24:40Z")
> Mike explains, “The synthetic people attack the Utopia Planitia ship yards, where Starfleet builds its starships. And they attacked it so violently that ignited the atmosphere of Mars, which has explosive gas in it. As far as I know, Mars doesn’t have much of an atmosphere.” > While Mike is speaking, a factiod about Mars reads, “The atmosphere of Mars is about 100 times thinner than Earth’s, and it is 95 percent carbon dioxide. Carbon Dioxide is classified as a non-flammable, non-toxic liquefied gas.” > It’s really hard to imagine that Mars was always this “powder keg” waiting for a light. > Rich takes issue with probably an even larger aspect that comes out of this attack on the Fleet Yards. He says, “What I won’t f\*\*\*\*\*\* forgive them for is that this incident has turned the Federation into a bunch of f\*\*\*\*\*\* racist xenophobes, who don’t like androids or Romulans. Like we are going to stop evacuating the Romulans because some androids who weren’t related to the Romulans blew up Mars.” > Rich continues, “It also destroys Star Trek.” With Mike adding, “It destroys the core ideas of the Federation.” [This is the Trek you’re saying you like](https://boundingintocomics.com/2020/01/30/red-letter-media-explains-why-star-trek-picard-is-a-dumpster-fire/) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-review/917458/46 "2020-08-08T20:32:18Z")
Star Trek **is destroyed** you guys. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-review/917458/47 "2020-08-08T20:35:58Z")
Correction: **Star Trek** _will be_ destroyed. Because it takes place in the future. Unlike **Star Wars** , which took place a longtime ago and thus _was_ destroyed. **The Simpsons** _is_ destroyed. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-review/917458/48 "2020-08-08T20:37:49Z")
But wait - Star Trek sometimes takes place in the past and the present. So Star Trek is… having will have been destroyed… now? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-review/917458/49 "2020-08-08T20:45:52Z")
Yes, but you are not countering what most did agree with, Pickard is not as great as The Next Generation, but it is not a gross failure. On matters of taste you are ok with your opinion, and so I’m with mine. Just do not forget that when looking at the polls, many others do not agree. ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-review/917458/50 "2020-08-08T23:56:43Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Just do not forget that when looking at the polls, many others do not agree. Except they do and they think Picard sucks ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2020, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-review/917458/51 "2020-08-09T01:33:34Z")
So Ryan, if you’re so set in your opinion that Star Trek: Picard sucks, why did you even set up a discussion thread about it? Sure, there were flaws, just as there is in Discovery, but overall, I kind of enjoyed the new series. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2020, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-review/917458/52 "2020-08-09T01:36:52Z")
Uh, close to 60% is again not a great work, just kinda ok for a majority of viewers. (Again, critics were more in favor of it) In any case, you must be confused in thinking I like it a lot, it was just ok for me. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2020, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-review/917458/53 "2020-08-09T03:45:44Z")
As with any fandom, there will always be a subset of fans for whom nothing will ever be good enough. They have an idealized, rose-tinted version of the subject matter in their heads. Thankfully, those are not the fans who actually drive franchises. Don’t get me wrong - they **think** they do. But for every Trekkie frothing at the mouth because Picard “destroyed” Star Trek, there are twenty more watching it and discussing it and geeking out over it, and a hundred more who enjoyed it just fine and are more than okay with its existence. Because most fans understand that nothing stands still, and that nothing new is going to be the same as what preceded it. That sometimes you don’t catch lightning in a bottle. And that it’s okay to shift your perceptions a bit and let go and just fucking enjoy space wizards and space robots and space lasers. Jesus fucking christ. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2020, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-review/917458/54 "2020-08-09T14:56:30Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > But for every Trekkie frothing at the mouth because Picard “destroyed” Star Trek, there are twenty more watching it and discussing it and geeking out over it, and a hundred more who enjoyed it just fine and are more than okay with its existence. You have the numbers backwards. For every mouth breathing Picard/Discovery fan, there are a hunderd Star Trek fans who just said “pass” to the whole thing. You don’t hear about them because they’ve accepted the new stuff is just crap and have moved on. My cite: if there really was that big an audience for Picard et al, they’d be on broadcast tv, pulling in the big bucks. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2020, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-review/917458/55 "2020-08-09T15:58:18Z")
What’s “broadcast TV”? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2020, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-review/917458/56 "2020-08-09T15:59:58Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > My cite: if there really was that big an audience for Picard et al, they’d be on broadcast tv, pulling in the big bucks. Whoa there, that is not just grasping at straws, it looks like Wesley Crusher grasping them. 🙂 The short explanation of why is that to say that it should be in broadcast tv one has to grossly ignore things like cable cutting, loss of regular TV viewers, and the growth of streaming on the internet. The ones that look at that are not so dismissive of CBS putting the latest Star Trek shows on its streaming service. > **[Why New 'Star Trek' Series is Boldly Going to Streaming, Not Broadcast - TheWrap](https://www.thewrap.com/why-new-star-trek-series-is-boldly-going-to-streaming-not-broadcast/)** > > In face of cord-cutting, broadcaster is building a new business for the digital age > Even a Vulcan would appreciate the logic of CBS’ “Star Trek” play. > > The company announced this week that it will premiere a new “Star Trek” series on CBS All Access, the $6-a-month subscription streaming service that it introduced last year — and which, until now, has served solely as a delivery mechanism for library content such as “Cheers” and “I Love Lucy.” The move was a big enough deal for CEO Leslie Moonves to spend much of his third-quarter earnings conference call Tuesday talking about it, likening “Star Trek” at one point to “the family jewels.” > > That CBS would stream “Star Trek” on All Access rather than air it on broadcast proves that the company is serious about a product, that has been the butt of a few jokes. (“Getting ‘NCIS’ for free over the air has always felt like stealing,” the Onion wrote last year.) More importantly, it proves that CBS understands more than other broadcasters that its business model must evolve — and do so at warp speed. > But cord-cutting and the emergence of a generation of viewers coming of age without cable subscriptions have threatened the current ecosystem. On linear television, live-plus-same day ratings continue to decline. Moonves on Tuesday touted Nielsen’s recent move toward measuring digital viewing alongside television viewing and the pending merger of Rentrak and Comscore, both signs that digital viewership is growing in importance as television viewership wanes. And cord-cutting fears sent media stock prices plummeting earlier this year. On edit: I can see that **Alessan** ninjaed me with a short drive by! ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2020, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-review/917458/57 "2020-08-09T16:11:36Z")
It’s ironic that when Gene Roddenberry was pitching his _Star Trek_ project, CBS passed on it because they already had a “space show”. (_Lost in Space_) ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2020, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-review/917458/58 "2020-08-09T17:08:40Z")
Because there’s too much acceptance of lazy writers and terrible plot points and I felt like calling it out. ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2020, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-review/917458/59 "2020-08-09T17:21:08Z")
> As with any fandom, there will always be a subset of fans for whom nothing will ever be good enough. They have an idealized, rose-tinted version of the subject matter in their heads. Wrong, Enterprise was bad compared to TNG and DS9, Voyager also got short shrift, but they all at least tried to keep to a minimum standard of plot development logic and consistency in the ideas and ideals of what make Trek _Trek_, Picard and Discovery do none of these things, they had **20** producers for Discovery and fell back on gratuitous swearing drinking and smoking to make up for the fact they’re not confident in what they’re putting out there. > Thankfully, those are not the fans who actually drive franchises. Don’t get me wrong - they **think** they do. But for every Trekkie frothing at the mouth because Picard “destroyed” Star Trek, there are twenty more watching it and discussing it and geeking out over it, and a hundred more who enjoyed it just fine and are more than okay with its existence. If they didn’t drive franchises then JJ Abrhams wouldn’t have put so much fan service into ST and Star Wars when he directed them both. People will watch mindless fighting and drama _once_, then they won’t bother watching it again, which is what will happen with Picard and Discovery. > Because most fans understand that nothing stands still, and that nothing new is going to be the same as what preceded it. That sometimes you don’t catch lightning in a bottle. And that it’s okay to shift your perceptions a bit and let go and just fucking enjoy space wizards and space robots and space lasers. _“People just want mindless violence and drama, they don’t want to overthink”_ Good luck with that approach, worked wonders for Star Wars, so much so that the last movie was one of the worst performing out of the lot. ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2020, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-review/917458/60 "2020-08-09T17:30:32Z")
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