# Star Trek Picard Season 3 discussion (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, star-trek-paramount\ **Created:** [February 16, 2023, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922 "2023-02-16T23:43:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2023, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/21 "2023-02-18T10:46:24Z")
I found the beginning extremely disappointing—I don’t really need Star Trek for pew-pew space laser fights against scary-looking bad guys. There’s enough of that to go around. Also, it just wasn’t a well-done action scene, from the weird rack-action of the phaser gun (what’s that supposed to accomplish?) to it running out of power after like four shots and then loudly announcing that fact to everyone present, to the Stormtrooper-like accuracy of the aliens, failing to really hit Beverly from what looked like five meters with a rapid fire gun. The episode picked up some afterwards, but the plan to just hijack the Titan to get to Beverly’s coordinates seemed hare-brained, and recklessly endangering hundreds of Star Fleet personnel, who Riker and Picard were fully prepared to dump right into a potentially dangerous situation without any idea of what could be going on, without their knowledge. (The worst of which is that this means Shaw actually had a good point and showed the right judgment denying their request.) I’m also not sure I need another ‘Star Fleet has been compromised and betrayed its core values’ plot—I mean, I get it, trust in institutions isn’t the hip thing to do anymore, power corrupts, and so on, but haven’t we been over this? Anyway, here’s hoping that they manage to build on the good, and shed some of the bad (speaking of bad, was it me or was the CGI of the Titan’s exterior pretty embarrassing in places?). ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2023, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/22 "2023-02-18T15:29:47Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > I’m also not sure I need another ‘Star Fleet has been compromised and betrayed its core values’ plot—I mean, I get it, trust in institutions isn’t the hip thing to do anymore, power corrupts, and so on, but haven’t we been over this? Kurtzmanified. It’s what happened to the first two seasons and it’s what I’m concerned may happen here. From when that high ranking woman in season 1 described the “fucking hubris” of Jean-Luc, I knew this wasn’t really Star Trek anymore. Kurtzman is also the exective producer for Discovery. I don’t think he’s done the Star Trek universe many favours. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2023, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/23 "2023-02-18T17:27:10Z")
Deconstructions seem to be all the rage these days. It’s not enough that heroes have flaws, they need to be _flawed._ Roddenberry’s vision of a future utopia, with a benevolent government is unrealistic in many ways, as are superhero stories. And just like those, the new wave of “gritty realism” has taken root, replacing ideals with corruption, optimism with grimdark. Maybe that’s the thing that’s in right now, but I’d rather they create their own intellectual property to examine the darker side of humanity than to ruin an already existing one in their attempts. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2023, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/24 "2023-02-18T18:14:23Z")
“War… war never changes.” Sorry. But that Ink Spots track just sets off a Pavlovian response. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2023, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/25 "2023-02-18T18:40:41Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > Captain Shaw is is just a modern version of Captain Jellico. > > And opinion writers also made a good point for why Jellico was right to speak to @Darren_Garrison post Shaw came across as the perfect peacetime captain. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2023, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/26 "2023-02-18T20:54:18Z")
Shaw: “I don’t know what shur you two assholes are up to, but you aren’t dragging me into it.” Three assholes: (Drag him into it.) ---
**Author:** ![zbuzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@zbuzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zbuzz)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2023, 10:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/27 "2023-02-19T10:35:12Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > grimdark Speaking of which, did every. fucking. scene. have to be in a dark room that were lit only with night lights? You’re not establishing mood, you’re just making me say, “Why won’t anybody turn on the fucking lights?” ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2023, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/28 "2023-02-19T13:42:02Z")
They were afraid of lensFlare. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2023, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/29 "2023-02-19T15:07:36Z")
Oh i know! Another long running TV complaint of mine. I can’t say I’ve ever been on a battleship bridge or NORAD command center…but I have been in a doctors office and court…and those places are generally very well lit. But you wouldn’t know it from Hollywood. And the Titan bridge! Its not carpeted. Its multi-leveled. How many crusty admirals have broken a hip cause they didn’t see the step down. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2023, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/30 "2023-02-19T16:54:29Z")
I also said while watching, why won’t someone turn on the lights? They had the lights out in Star Trek Generations because to save money they used the TV sets and those sets looked fine on TV but terrible on the big screen so the dark was meant to keep them out of sight but then they never turned them back on… ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2023, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/31 "2023-02-20T06:16:11Z")
> [@zbuzz](#): > > You’re not establishing mood, you’re just making me say, “Why won’t anybody turn on the fucking lights Exactement, as the French would say. The Next Generation had very good lighting. Again, I blame Kurtzman. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2023, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/32 "2023-02-22T20:42:15Z")
Re: Bev vaporizing the bad guys…‘slugged’ individuals can’t be stunned by phasers, and that shotgun didn’t appear to have a ‘hose him down til he passes out’ setting. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2023, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/33 "2023-02-22T21:32:53Z")
I’ll present my entire thesis on friday. I’d do it now, but it contains spoilers for an ep 2 preview everyone may not have seen. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2023, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/34 "2023-02-23T04:26:39Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > Apparently dead naming isn’t a thing in the 25th century anymore. Seven of Nine is Seven of Nine but Captain Shaw has decided he’s going to call her by a name she doesn’t use anymore. Maybe they’re waiting until they need to get Shaw out of the Captain’s chair and that’s when Seven will go to Starfleet HR about it. Prejudice being alive and well in Starfleet or the Federation isn’t exactly new; just look at how geneticly engineered beings are treated or artificial beings are. Ex-Borgs seem pitied at best, reviled at worse. It took the personal intervention of two very prominent flag officers and the Federation allying with the Borg (or at least a Borg faction) for Seven to even be allowed in Starfleet. Also I don’t see Seven giving Captain Asshole the satisfaction of complaining to Starfleet Personnel. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2023, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/35 "2023-02-23T05:04:01Z")
135 years earlier: “You see in our century, we’ve learned not to fear words.” ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2023, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/36 "2023-02-23T05:59:47Z")
Speaking of artificial lifeforms, both Lore and Moriarty were artificial life-forms denied their rights. (Albeit much moreso in Lore’s case who was dissassembled,) ---
**Author:** ![Llama\_Llogophile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@Llama\_Llogophile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Llama_Llogophile)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2023, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/37 "2023-02-24T00:22:36Z")
Second episode had its moments. When I saw Amanda Plummer commanding a highly lethal ship all I could think of was, “Any of you f\*%ing pigs MOVE, and I’ll execute every motherf\*%ing last one of you!!!” And… cue Dick Dale. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2023, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/38 "2023-02-24T02:05:10Z")
“Cry havoc and and shoot him in the fucking face!” ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2023, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/39 "2023-02-24T02:37:23Z")
Ugh, Very poorly written and paced. They don’t ‘show rather then tell.’ They show…then tell…then tell again. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2023, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/40 "2023-02-24T03:12:07Z")
So Jack is Jean-Luc’s son, what an unexpected plot twist. 🤨 I And Beverly both named him after her husband and raised him to speak with the Picard family accent. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922.md?page=3)