# Star Trek Picard Season 3 discussion (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, star-trek-paramount\ **Created:** [February 16, 2023, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922 "2023-02-16T23:43:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![xtenkfarpl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/c2a13f/32.png) [@xtenkfarpl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xtenkfarpl)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2023, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/81 "2023-03-07T20:26:46Z")
I was just thinking that the Raffi thread in Picard 3 was seriously channeling a Star Wars look. Not sure I like it, though. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2023, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/82 "2023-03-07T21:45:26Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > At this point I’d rather watch a gritty spinoff of _Starfleet Intelligence_ featuring Raffi and maybe Seven wandering through the seamy underbellies of alien worlds. I’d agree, if Raffi’s delivery weren’t so overwrought and melodramatic that she makes Shatner look like Nimoy. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2023, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/83 "2023-03-08T04:45:38Z")
I was also just thinking i can do without anymore “hand-shaking, stuttering looking at the ground Raffi.” Gurl! Stand up for yourself. Im sorry, I understand their motivations, especially the son, but on some level the son and the ex-husband are being dicks. And isnt the son a doctor?? How about some empathy for your mom?? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2023, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/84 "2023-03-08T12:52:02Z")
> [@Pavelb1](#): > > Gurl! Stand up for yourself. Im sorry, I understand their motivations, especially the son, but on some level the son and the ex-husband are being dicks. And isnt the son a doctor?? How about some empathy for your mom?? I don’t blame them - the woman is in a constant state of nervous breakdown. ---
**Author:** ![Unintentionally\_Blank](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unintentionally_blank/32/5418_2.png) [@Unintentionally\_Blank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unintentionally_Blank)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2023, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/85 "2023-03-09T21:38:54Z")
Terry Matalas has been saying on twitter how the video being sent is _wrong_…it’s dark, but it’s not suppoed to be THAT dark. [https://twitter.com/terrymatalas/status/1633853676283658241?s=61&t=GXA8JiH5xkgK5y\_viJRrpw](https://twitter.com/terrymatalas/status/1633853676283658241?s=61&t=GXA8JiH5xkgK5y_viJRrpw) ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2023, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/86 "2023-03-10T00:49:37Z")
“Um Seven…how about you keep shooting? There ya go…nooo…KEEP shooting.” ffs ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2023, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/87 "2023-03-10T01:20:12Z")
Episode 4 was great - maybe the best episode of the whole series. IMO up there close to the best episodes of TNG. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2023, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/88 "2023-03-10T01:58:56Z")
I thought it was the best since the DS9 finale. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2023, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/89 "2023-03-10T02:48:58Z")
That was a great episode of Star Trek. You can always nitpick but I loved it. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2023, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/90 "2023-03-10T03:21:43Z")
By the way, anyone (again not here. Everyone here is well-adjusted) Anyone who sees this ep and continues to bleat about ‘Roddenberry’s vision’ being trampled can…let me think of a deep cut here…take a good bonk bonk on the head and go to hell. They STOP their escape to gaze in wonder at Nebula Space Babies. That’s so Encounter at Farpoint it hurts. And I’m fine with it. That’s who the Feds are. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2023, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/91 "2023-03-10T12:02:15Z")
Yeah this episode was so very Star Trek and I loved it. They worked together using their talents to solve a problem and learned something about the wonder of Space. Other thoughts: Pretty much everyone had guessed the Wolf 359 connection but Shaw’s scene was amazing. I can’t believe the 180 I have done with that character. I went from hating him to hoping he sticks around somehow. I really liked that we learned that the villain’s moustache twirling and confidence is all an act and it looks like she is as much a victim of the true enemies as anyone else. Turning enemies into friends is as Star Trek as it gets and I hope our crew gets to help her free herself. A nitpick: it was really dumb this changeling’s bucket looked exactly like Odo’s bucket. I always assumed Odo just used some Cardassian trash can or something. Of course Shaw would know a bunch about Changelings and Seven would not. He’s a veteran of the Dominion War and she was tooling around the Delta Quadrant then. It’s a nice understated detail. A second nitpick: I loved the scene between Riker and Picard when he talked about his son but it would have landed better if we hadn’t already seen a reasonably happy and well adjusted Riker and Troi in season one. It’s like they are rewriting their past episodes. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2023, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/92 "2023-03-10T14:17:53Z")
Sorry to be a voice of dissent but really? Beverly Crusher is the only one to notice that the pulses fit a mathematically predictable pattern? Because like contractions? Because of course space jellies are born in a virtual space uterus … only explanation for being a very precise mathematical pattern … which no other math whiz picked up on. When predicting minimally means a way to conserve shield power. This is less real Trek than a caricature of it. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2023, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/93 "2023-03-10T14:48:41Z")
That sounds exactly like about a third of the TNG episodes (except it would have been Data). ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2023, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/94 "2023-03-10T14:56:54Z")
IIRC, Wesley wound up delaying his entry into the Academy to confirm a pattern like that… ---
**Author:** ![JacobSwan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a6a055/32.png) [@JacobSwan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JacobSwan)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2023, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/95 "2023-03-10T15:32:02Z")
They’re using our own satellites against us!! ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2023, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/96 "2023-03-10T15:34:39Z")
You’re thinking of _Star Trek: The Motion Picture_. ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2023, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/97 "2023-03-10T15:59:22Z")
Not sure I thought it was great, but it was a perfectly serviceable Star Trek episode: mounting danger, hopeless situation, crew banding together, technobabble solution, the wonders of space, all came together in the end, for me at least. The parts I didn’t like were mostly connected to the overall arc—why’s there a changeling on board since before the Titan even picked up Jack Crusher? Just a coincidence, or Rube Goldberg-planning? And I have to second what was said above about Shaw; he’s really growing into an interesting character—I just hope they don’t end up making him too likeable. Also, I wonder if there’ll be some actual consequences for Picard and Riker—I think there should be: they essentially hijacked a ship and led hundreds of people almost to their deaths (and with the battle damage sustained, perhaps more than almost for a few of them). That shouldn’t get waved away with an ‘but all turned out for the best in the end’. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2023, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/98 "2023-03-10T16:23:02Z")
Were he younger, they’d demote Picard two steps in rank and give him a new starship. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2023, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/99 "2023-03-10T16:43:39Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > why’s there a changeling on board since before the Titan even picked up Jack Crusher? That was Seven’s point. Something else big is going on. They are coincidentally overlapping threads. A large scale infiltration of the Federation with changelings ready to transport individuals or things aboard or out. And some separate element that created some hybrid inside what at least looks like Jack Crusher and thinks it is Jack Crusher but might not be, or at least isn’t all, Jack Crusher. Didn’t Disco do that in S1? Isn’t Marvel doing the other? ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2023, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/100 "2023-03-10T17:06:22Z")
I still think Moriarty was involved with that. They gave him the info they had, and he mapped out a likely scenario. Remember, Riker and Picard were under observation in the first ep. I’m really hoping Jack isnt a Prophet/ Pah-wraith/ baby changeling cause if so, maybe Bev should get a hysterectomy. Her batting average with kids who turn out to be Great Birds of the Galaxy is 1.000 There seems to be some confusion about Vadic on the YT review channels, with no one flat out saying ‘we don’t really know what she is’. I thought she was a changeling who somehow used her hand to communicate with other changelings,. Others thought she was humanoid with the changeling attached to her body and the only way to communicate was to cut it off. I guess she could be a Vorta of some type. Her demeanor was like that when she was in communication. I just don’t know if there’s time to involve Pah-wraiths/ Prophets/ Dukat. If the season were 26 eps and we had non-serial eps, I’d be all for it. As an aside: I think its funny Jean-Luc had all these off-screen adventures. Hirogen, Remans, assasination attempts, kidnappings. Makes perfect sense given for seven years he had an adventure every two weeks. Meanwhile: Sulu: “We’ve returned from three years of mapping gaseous anomalies.” Re; Technobabble. Thats how you do technobabble right. Spell it out so the audience is invested TOS style. Show us it happening step by step. I think Engineering drama is fascinating when you take us through it like in TOS’s That Which Survives and The Naked Time. And that’s what they did here. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922.md?page=6)