# Star Trek Picard Season 3 discussion (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, star-trek-paramount\ **Created:** [February 16, 2023, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922 "2023-02-16T23:43:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2023, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/141 "2023-03-21T15:44:55Z")
The musical score thread reminded me I have the teeniest of dumb nitpicks: TNG Klingons have their own motif. But starting with First Contact they keep using the more famous Goldsmith sting when Worf makes an appearance. Its gotten about as overdone as Carmina Burana I cant find a more martial isolated bit of the TNG motif but here is a subdued version. And granted Jones made them similar to Goldsmith. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/bbhTgy3sBJ8/maxresdefault.jpg "Heart of Glory: A Klingon's Feelings") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbhTgy3sBJ8) ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2023, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/142 "2023-03-24T01:56:57Z")
Well that one was entertaining as always but…had a whole lot of not making sense to it. Leaned too much on nostalgia. Fun, brought a tear to my eye, but too much cause: This ultra high security facility is guarded by…what? Like someone said earlier “Has Starfleet not learned its lesson?” People are ignoring the galaxy-wide threat again as seen in season one…“I want to help you but my family.” There wont be a family if this isnt stopped! And I’m supposed to believe Will is going to be conflicted over Deanna being a prisoner?? GALAXY-WIDE THREAT. The hell reason would Section 31 have Kirk and Picards body? ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2023, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/143 "2023-03-24T02:28:57Z")
So the Rogue Changelings plan to destroy the Federation requires them to have Picard’s corpse and his? 🤨 And I agree, WTF does Section 31 have Kirk and Picard’s corpses? ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2023, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/144 "2023-03-24T02:37:59Z")
Something something clone their brains install in android something…I guess that was Section 31s idea. I think their efforts would be better spent doing something else The Changelings plan would seem to involve having two people with that Brain Syndrome. And the entire fleet somehow. I fear the writers will connect this with the temporal anomaly seen in All Good Things…but the problem is, Picard’s brain syndrome and everything else in All Good Things is separate. The entirety of the rest was The Q and…Q. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2023, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/145 "2023-03-24T03:14:18Z")
Also speaking of “Deanna”, wouldn’t Betazoids be natural Changeling detectors? Full Betazoids would immediately notice not being able to read the thoughts of a species they should be able to, same with Human-Betazoid hybrids and sensing emotions. It’s one explanation for Betazed being a priority for the Dominion. And lets not forget about Vulcans, they should be able to easily identify Changelings via mind melding. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2023, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/146 "2023-03-24T03:55:00Z")
In a ship of changelings, you actually believe they have Deanna? ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2023, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/147 "2023-03-24T04:29:07Z")
So neither Lore nor Moriarty are the real thing apparently. Nice misdirect producers. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2023, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/148 "2023-03-24T06:04:28Z")
> [@Pavelb1](#): > > So neither Lore nor Moriarty are the real thing apparently. I think you mean, “So neither Lore nor Moriarty are the real thing apparently.” 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2023, 10:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/149 "2023-03-24T10:41:45Z")
Enjoyed the episode but I don’t have a bead on Vadic. They gave her some depth a few episodes back but seem to have forgotten it. Hoping that pays off. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2023, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/150 "2023-03-25T05:10:38Z")
So - we clearly saw 3 of 5 ‘displays’ - a) Kirk’s body b) Genesis II device c) attack tribble I couldn’t make out any others - anyone else? ---
**Author:** ![zbuzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@zbuzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zbuzz)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2023, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/151 "2023-03-25T07:45:58Z")
> [@simster](#): > > I couldn’t make out any others - anyone else? For stuff in displays, there was the Borg vinculum, the thing that connected the Borg’s brains or whatever from Voyager. There was the device from Nemesis that melted the Romulan senate or turned them to dust or whatever. There was B-4’s head, I think. And then when New Data does his little R2D2 impersonation by projecting the hologram we see that Picard’s body was in one of the displays but it’s what the Changelings stole beforehand. Sucks to be Kirk, totally dissed by Changeling grave robbers. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2023, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/152 "2023-03-25T12:44:32Z")
One of the ships in the Museum was the hypothetical refit of the NX Enterprise that they had planned to do if Enterprise had gotten a fifth season. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2023, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/153 "2023-03-25T13:01:02Z")
> [@zbuzz](#): > > Bor The Borg vinculum and The Romulan senate thing were the two I missed. I’m specifically talking about the things before we get to the data cube. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2023, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/154 "2023-03-25T18:18:47Z")
According to stuff I saw online but missed myself, a few other Easter eggs in the Daystrom annex were the Android bodies from the TOS episode Tomorrow is Yesterday and a cache of self sealing stem bolts (a gag I am sure for the last one). ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2023, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/155 "2023-03-25T18:44:51Z")
Correction: I meant Return to Tomorrow (the one with Sargon). ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2023, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/156 "2023-03-27T02:07:37Z")
> [@simster](#): > > In a ship of changelings, you actually believe they have Deanna? That’s why I put quotes around her name. On the other hand if it’s not Deanna than Vadic’s ruse would fall apart quickly since Riker knows they’re Changelings and would easily spot one impersonating his wife (who he has a telepathic bond with.) ---
**Author:** ![Unintentionally\_Blank](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unintentionally_blank/32/5418_2.png) [@Unintentionally\_Blank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unintentionally_Blank)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2023, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/157 "2023-03-27T12:04:12Z")
It a TV show that’s solid wall to wall easter-eggs, what do you want to bet an Enterprise is in hangar 12? (They couldn’t sell the models of ‘the fat one’ and Shaw commenting on ‘hot dropping the saucer section on a planet’) Georgie’s been fixing up a hotrod. And to steal a little of that Battlestar Galactica vibe, if all the new ships have apple airtags and know where they all are…golly, don’t we have a dozen or so scrappy elder-statesmen that could be pushed into service one-last-time. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2023, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/158 "2023-03-27T14:01:36Z")
Maybe a couple of old Texas-class ships (built after they cleared Badgey from the OS). ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2023, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/159 "2023-03-31T00:53:24Z")
You know….I’ll bet that holodeck has a shooting practice program. I’m Just saying ….when you come up on two people from behind and you can’t hit shit. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2023, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922/160 "2023-03-31T02:45:38Z")
Well I’m pissed that we didn’t see Riker or Troi. We did learn that Vadic’s boss is not a Changeling (or at least not a modified one). Whatever they want Picard’s corpse for it has to be for something more complicated than faking a DNA test. Also if the modified Changelings can be outed with a genetic test _why wouldn’t Starfleet be using genetic security tests_? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-picard-season-3-discussion-open-spoilers/979922.md?page=9)