# Star Trek recommendations needed (my children are apostates)) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 24, 2011, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-recommendations-needed-my-children-are-apostates/600630 "2011-10-24T15:12:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2011, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-recommendations-needed-my-children-are-apostates/600630/21 "2011-10-25T01:10:16Z")
I was raised in the church of Star Trek. After all, TOS started the year I was in sixth grade, a perfect time for enthusiasms of all sorts. I watched the movies then rejoiced when new Scriptures were revealed, TNG, DS-9, all the rest. But then I became apostate when the lure of Babylon 5 caught me. By the third season I’d left my origins behind and converted to my new faith. I’m happy with it. But I still have great respect and fondness for what I was raised on. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2011, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-recommendations-needed-my-children-are-apostates/600630/22 "2011-10-25T01:15:59Z")
The Boxing Thing Episode and the security guy being a drunk turned me off the B5 and I watched it sporadically. What became of the first Commander of the station? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2011, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-recommendations-needed-my-children-are-apostates/600630/23 "2011-10-25T01:17:26Z")
He by and large disappears from the show, except in maybe two or three more episodes down the line. He does well for himself, gets a diplomatic post on Minbar. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2011, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-recommendations-needed-my-children-are-apostates/600630/24 "2011-10-25T01:19:41Z")
I thought he was dead or in hyper space or something, delivering ghostly prophetic messages and stuff. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2011, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-recommendations-needed-my-children-are-apostates/600630/25 "2011-10-25T01:23:49Z")
Go [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=589144) and follow along. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2011, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-recommendations-needed-my-children-are-apostates/600630/26 "2011-10-25T01:25:51Z")
My post regarding Sinclair was accurate if not particularly illuminating so as to avoid spoilers. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2011, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-recommendations-needed-my-children-are-apostates/600630/27 "2011-10-25T01:26:12Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Go [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=589144) and follow along. There’s a lot of thread there…a lot of B5 thread! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2011, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-recommendations-needed-my-children-are-apostates/600630/28 "2011-10-25T01:26:52Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > My post regarding Sinclair was **accurate if not particularly illuminating** so as to avoid spoilers. So, just like Minbari prophesy. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![EvilTOJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee59a6/32.png) [@EvilTOJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EvilTOJ)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2011, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-recommendations-needed-my-children-are-apostates/600630/29 "2011-10-25T02:45:40Z")
Nothing was as good as these guys [in concert](http://neo-fringe.com/nimg.php?fn=tanagra.png&f=areas/a3/f3306.png). ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2011, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-recommendations-needed-my-children-are-apostates/600630/30 "2011-10-25T02:56:37Z")
> [@EvilTOJ](#): > > Nothing was as good as these guys [in concert](http://neo-fringe.com/nimg.php?fn=tanagra.png&f=areas/a3/f3306.png). I will not click that link. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2011, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-recommendations-needed-my-children-are-apostates/600630/31 "2011-10-25T03:02:09Z")
I want that as a T-shirt! ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2011, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-recommendations-needed-my-children-are-apostates/600630/32 "2011-10-25T15:11:46Z")
So far the consensus seems to be tie them to chairs and watch TOS, and that watching Babylon 5 won’t help them with their Star Trek knowledge. I probably could have guessed the second part. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2011, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-recommendations-needed-my-children-are-apostates/600630/33 "2011-10-25T15:54:48Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > There is no reason for _Omega Glory_ to exist. Like weaponized smallpox, it must be destroyed before it destroys us. My apologies, I was confusing episode titles. OG does indeed fellate. Here is my list: The Man Trap Where No Man Has Gone Before The Naked Time The Enemy Within Mudd’s Women What are Little Girls Made of? Dagger of the Mind Balance of Terror Galileo Seven Arena The Return of the Archons Space Seed A Taste of Armageddon This Side of Paradise The Devil In the Dark The City on the Edge of Forever Operation: Annihilate! Amok Time Mirror Mirror The Doomsday Machine I, Mudd Journey to Babel The Deadly Years Obsession The Trouble with Tribbles A Piece of the Action By Any Other Name The Ultimate Computer The Enterprise Incident Day of the Dove Elann of Troyius The Cloud Minders All Our Yesterdays ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2011, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-recommendations-needed-my-children-are-apostates/600630/34 "2011-10-25T15:57:28Z")
I concur. That list hits all the goodies and avoids the victims of Sturgeon’s Law. ---
**Author:** ![Dread\_Pirate\_Jimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dread_pirate_jimbo/32/3897_2.png) [@Dread\_Pirate\_Jimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dread_Pirate_Jimbo)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2011, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-recommendations-needed-my-children-are-apostates/600630/35 "2011-10-25T16:09:49Z")
I’m personally in favour of having them watch the series in their shooting order, as our Lord and Master Gene Roddenberry intended, not the order NBC broadcast them in. But they must watch every episode of TOS, the good and the bad, in order to truly appreciate the brilliance of the good stuff. If TV isn’t a big thing around your house, maybe shoot for an episode per week, as that will give them time to digest everything and you’ll have a chance to engage them in some discussion. After that, I’d go straight to Wrath of Khan, Search for Spock, and Voyage Home before introducing TNG. For TNG, I’d simply show them “Encounter At Farpoint” so they understand what a giant pile of suckitude that series was in comparison to the original. Beyond that, they should hopefully be interested enough to move on from there on their own. 🙂 Live Long and Prosper ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2011, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-recommendations-needed-my-children-are-apostates/600630/36 "2011-10-25T16:49:35Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > There is no reason for _Omega Glory_ to exist. Like weaponized smallpox, it must be destroyed before it destroys us. _Specter of the Gun_ at least had some nice Chekov moments. > > Black/White is _Let That Be Your Last Battlefield_. _Alternative Factor_ is…not that. It’s hard to describe, like a bad acid flashback. The lead aliens in Alternative are ringers for that homeless guy in the alley downtown, except for not having a shopping cart filled with rags and empty soda cans - though his little spaceship might qualify. It is blessed by an incomprehensible plot and the worst camerawork in the series. I’ve seen a claim that the original script made some kind of sense, but they had run out of money by that time, but I’m not sure I believe it. It also has the worst science howler of the series. It just demonstrates that not all first season shows are good. Assignment Earth, on the other hand, has a young Teri Garr and a hot pussy. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2011, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-recommendations-needed-my-children-are-apostates/600630/37 "2011-10-25T20:21:28Z")
All right, I’ll be an apostate and say you should pick your five or ten favorite episodes and just show them those. THEN see if they want to go on. You’ll either hook them or you won’t; no duct tape needed, and you won’t get in trouble with Child Welfare. I would show them what are, to me, the best of the best: Space Seed This Side of Paradise The Devil in the Dark The City on the Edge of Forever Amok Time Mirror Mirror The Doomsday Machine Journey to Babel The Trouble with Tribbles The Ultimate Computer Our boys have seen some ST and have liked it well enough, but not gone gaga for it. Such is life. ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2011, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-recommendations-needed-my-children-are-apostates/600630/38 "2011-10-25T20:23:20Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > My apologies, I was confusing episode titles. OG does indeed fellate. > > Here is my list: > > The Man Trap > Where No Man Has Gone Before > The Naked Time > The Enemy Within > Mudd’s Women > What are Little Girls Made of? > Dagger of the Mind > Balance of Terror > Galileo Seven > Arena > The Return of the Archons > Space Seed > A Taste of Armageddon > This Side of Paradise > The Devil In the Dark > The City on the Edge of Forever > Operation: Annihilate! > Amok Time > Mirror Mirror > The Doomsday Machine > I, Mudd > Journey to Babel > The Deadly Years > Obsession > The Trouble with Tribbles > A Piece of the Action > By Any Other Name > The Ultimate Computer > The Enterprise Incident > Day of the Dove > Elann of Troyius > The Cloud Minders > All Our Yesterdays Now we are cooking with gas. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2011, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-recommendations-needed-my-children-are-apostates/600630/39 "2011-10-25T20:46:54Z")
> [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](#): > > Now we are cooking with gas. The honor is to serve. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-recommendations-needed-my-children-are-apostates/600630.md?page=1)