# Star Trek: security of the Enterprise's bridge **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 19, 2015, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-security-of-the-enterprises-bridge/740856 "2015-12-19T17:28:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2015, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-security-of-the-enterprises-bridge/740856/41 "2015-12-21T04:35:03Z")
It never really made sense to me that the saucer section didn’t have warp capability. I mean, “We’re going to put all our people, except a skeleton crew on the barge and let them drift at sublight.” I didn’t have a problem with the transporter being able to send folks without a pickup mechanism at the other end. However, given _that_ technology it was kind of absurd for Kirk to be surprised at “Landru’s” capability to do the same with a hologram. ---
**Author:** ![Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/channing_idaho_banks/32/250_2.png) [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Channing_Idaho_Banks)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2015, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-security-of-the-enterprises-bridge/740856/42 "2015-12-21T05:57:42Z")
I’m pretty sure you would hear the sound the turbolift doors make when they open. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2015, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-security-of-the-enterprises-bridge/740856/43 "2015-12-21T06:01:09Z")
> [@Hail\_Ants](#): > > Taped?! In the 23rd century?!? Hey, we don’t know on what the technology of the 23rd century is based. Maybe duotronics _requires_ the use of such media! Otherwise, why would they be playing with those brightly-colored microcassettes all the time? :dubious: (Okay, I know they were just painted pieces of wood, but still…) ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2015, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-security-of-the-enterprises-bridge/740856/44 "2015-12-21T06:06:44Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > “We’re going to put all our people, except a skeleton crew on the barge and let them drift at sublight.” The saucer had impulse engines, but a fat lot of good it would do them in interstellar space. By the time they arrived anywhere, they’d all be old, and everybody else would be dead. Like anyone else in a lifeboat, you’d just have to wait for someone with warp drive to come along and pick you up. Frankly, I’d be more worried about that Borg cube that just destroyed the rest of the ship and is now closing on us. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2015, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-security-of-the-enterprises-bridge/740856/45 "2015-12-21T06:10:33Z")
> [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](#): > > I’m pretty sure you would hear the sound the turbolift doors make when they open. Yeah … just before someone elbows you in the gut and gives you a karate chop to the neck! :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Dorjan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dorjan/32/12440_2.png) [@Dorjan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dorjan)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2015, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-security-of-the-enterprises-bridge/740856/46 "2015-12-21T14:28:30Z")
In every real ship I’ve ever been on, you entered the bridge from either behind, behind and below, or behind and from the sides. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2015, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-security-of-the-enterprises-bridge/740856/47 "2015-12-21T15:49:50Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > The saucer had impulse engines, but a fat lot of good it would do them in interstellar space. By the time they arrived anywhere, they’d all be old, and everybody else would be dead. They do, however, have subspace communications and so could simply call for help from warp-capable ship. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2015, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-security-of-the-enterprises-bridge/740856/48 "2015-12-21T16:07:25Z")
Hope they kept their Space Tow membership. Those frackers charge a fortune for non members. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2015, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-security-of-the-enterprises-bridge/740856/49 "2015-12-21T16:45:21Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > It never really made sense to me that the saucer section didn’t have warp capability. I mean, “We’re going to put all our people, except a skeleton crew on the barge and let them drift at sublight.” Well, if they can get a cup section, they could have tea! ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Tildrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e95f7d/32.png) [@Tom\_Tildrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Tildrum)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2015, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-security-of-the-enterprises-bridge/740856/50 "2015-12-21T17:08:54Z")
> [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](#): > > I’m pretty sure you would hear the sound the turbolift doors make when they open. Was it Airplane 2 where the people coming and going from the bridge each made that sound with their mouths? An invader might not know to do that. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2015, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-security-of-the-enterprises-bridge/740856/51 "2015-12-21T18:18:53Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > It never really made sense to me that the saucer section didn’t have warp capability. You need those two warp engines sticking out on pylons. ---
**Author:** ![Diceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Diceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diceman)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2015, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-security-of-the-enterprises-bridge/740856/52 "2015-12-21T19:20:34Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > There’s only one episode that I know of that makes this interpretation difficult: the one where the crew cannot be rematerialized in the transporters, but is sent to the holodeck. Their minds and bodies are clearly separated in this situation. Also problemmatic are at least a couple of episodes where people are transported unexpectedly (like, out of a dangerous situation), and arrive at their destination in the exact same pose they left, apparently unaware of having been transported. For example, we see such a situation at the end of that episode with the aliens that think abstractly. Picard is about to get his ass kicked by that invisible monster when the Enterprise rescues him, and when he re-appears on the ship he is still about to fight it. Clearly he is not aware of having been transported, because if he was, even the couple of seconds it takes would be enough for him to compose himself, or at least avoid an embarassing panic response in front of his crew. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2015, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-security-of-the-enterprises-bridge/740856/53 "2015-12-21T20:14:25Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > They do, however, have subspace communications and so could simply call for help from warp-capable ship. … And attract the attention of every hostile vessel in the vicinity. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2015, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-security-of-the-enterprises-bridge/740856/54 "2015-12-22T13:12:11Z")
> [@Dorjan](#): > > In every real ship I’ve ever been on, you entered the bridge from either behind, behind and below, or behind and from the sides. It’s the same with aircraft cockpits. You do not put a door in front of the helmsman, he has other things to be looking at. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2015, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-security-of-the-enterprises-bridge/740856/55 "2015-12-22T16:38:18Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > It’s the same with aircraft cockpits. You do not put a door in front of the helmsman, he has other things to be looking at. IIRC, the original blueprints put a kickout panel in that wall to the left of the viewscreen. Kickout panels are intended for emergency egress, but could be used by intruders to gain access to the bridge. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2015, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-security-of-the-enterprises-bridge/740856/56 "2015-12-25T01:19:12Z")
Also in Mirror Mirror…the guards are looking exactly where they need to be ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2015, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-security-of-the-enterprises-bridge/740856/57 "2015-12-25T02:21:19Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > Also in Mirror Mirror…the guards are looking exactly where they need to be The Mirror guys knew how to run an Empire and a Starship. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2015, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-security-of-the-enterprises-bridge/740856/58 "2015-12-25T02:21:29Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > Also in Mirror Mirror…the guards are looking exactly where they need to be Your agonizer, please. :dubious: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-security-of-the-enterprises-bridge/740856.md?page=2)