# Star Trek series ideas revisited **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 20, 2006, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-series-ideas-revisited/361456 "2006-06-20T17:49:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Diceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Diceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diceman)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2006, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-series-ideas-revisited/361456/21 "2006-06-21T04:34:32Z")
[QUOTE=Lightnin’] Maybe have the Federation collapse, with Earth under alien occupation. Make it interesting, dammit. Yes, we get it- the Federation is supposed to be Utopia on Earth- hey, Utopia is BORING! Conflict and strife are INTERESTING. [/QUOTE] I’ve suggested a similar idea before. My idea is that the Federation has lost a major war. It hasn’t fallen apart, but Starfleet has been decimated, and as a consequence of the peace treaty, they aren’t allowed to have anything more formidable than a frigate. (Basically, they get the same deal that Germany got after World War 1.) Most of the characters that we know from previous series are dead. Picard, Geordi, and Dr. Crusher died when the Enterprise-E was destroyed. Worf, Dax, and Dr. Bashir died when the Reliant was destroyed. Deep Space 9 is back in Cardassian hands. Tuvok and Harry Kim died when Voyager was destroyed. _Admiral_ Janeway is the new president of the Federation, appointed with approval of the conquering powers. She’s widely viewed as a sellout and is hated by most people. Riker, who was commanding the Titan, survived the war, but his ship was scuttled per the terms of the treaty. He’s currently commanding the Enterprise-F, a heavy frigate that’s roughly the same size as Voyager was. It’s the toughest ship the Federation has, but a Klingon or Romulan Battlecruiser could beat their asses easily. O’Brien, who last time I checked was teaching at Starfleet Academy, has been pressed back into active duty. His family was killed when San Francisco was destroyed during the war. Naturally, he’s quite bitter about what’s happened to him. He’s also secretly jealous of Riker, whose wife and kids are alive and well on Betazed. (There will be no children on the Enterprise-F! This is a warship, dammit! Troi and the kids will be seen primarily in transmissions from home, and will only be present in person on rare occasions.) The tone of the series will be different from previous series. The Federation is not the big dog on the block anymore, and it must tread carefully around several larger powers. (Klingons, Romulans, Ferengi, etc.) There will be parallels to the current situation in Iraq. There will be insurgents (lead by Chakotay, B’lanna Torres, and maybe Tom Paris) who commit acts of terrorism to gain influence and attempt to establish themselves as a power in the new Federation. The government is corrupt and inefficient. With supply lines disrupted, poverty and hardship are widespread. (Replicators need raw materials to make stuff with, and the Federation uses huge amounts of energy.) Mostly, it is the colonies and other lesser settlements that suffer, while the leaders make sure that the core worlds are adequately supplied. This glaring disparity helps fuel support for the insurgency. The supply disruptions also mean that piracy has become a big problem, with raiders of various sorts robbing supply ships to either send the cargo back to their planet, or sell it on the black market. The Enterprise-F will spend much of its time as a sort of galactic police ship, upholding law and order as best it can. There will also be political intrigue, both from the Federation government and from the various foreign powers. And of course, there will be the tradtional Mysterious Anomalies[sup]TM[/sup] that seem to lurk around every corner in Trek. Time travel will be used sparingly, if at all. Badly written time travel stories really annoy me. Also, Q will have no more than one epsisode, if that. I hate Q. ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2006, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-series-ideas-revisited/361456/22 "2006-06-21T04:45:53Z")
I’ve always wanted to see a Trek that took place in an “Enemy” culture, like the Klingons, the Romulans, the Cardassians (DS9 came close, but i’m talking a show taking place on a Galor-Class starship or the equivalent…) of course, knowing the current incompetence level of TPTB, we’d probably get “Star Trek; Collective” Episode 1; the Borg Collective assimilates a planet Episode 2; the Borg Collective assimilates a planet Episode 3; the Borg Collective assimilates a planet Episode 4; the Borg Collective assimilates a planet Episode 5 to 47; the Borg Collective assimilates a planet Episode 48; the Collective deals with an outbreak of individuality, then assimilates a planet Or; if we’re _really_ unlucky, we’d get; Star Trek; Pakled… the only way a Borg story line could be any good nowadays is if they decided to film the adventures of the fanfic-based [“Star Traks” universe](http://www.star-traks.com/), specifically, “BorgSpace”, it’d be interesting to see the Imperfectly Assimilated drones of Exploratory-class Cube 347 on network TV… ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2006, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-series-ideas-revisited/361456/23 "2006-06-21T06:07:16Z")
[QUOTE=Lightnin’] I want to see shit get blown up! I want to hear someone say\*\* “Screw the Prime Directive”\*\* and mean it! If there’s an android, he’s got to have friggin’ laser beam eyes! I want a hard-as-nails captain on that ship, and he NEVER goes down to the surface of planets (along with the entire command crew)- no, he’s got grunts with guns to do that! [/QUOTE] Heh, there was an episode of B5 Crusade, where those sentiments are expressed. Never really did like the prime suggestion Declan ---
**Author:** ![ululate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/59ef9b/32.png) [@ululate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ululate)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2006, 8:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-series-ideas-revisited/361456/24 "2006-06-21T08:34:01Z")
[QUOTE=Lumpy] Not only was there no Eugenics Wars in the late 20th/ early 21st century… [/QUOTE] “Man, that Gary Seven guy did a great job of keeping stuff quiet.” ---
**Author:** ![Gerome](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/85e7bf/32.png) [@Gerome](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gerome)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2006, 8:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-series-ideas-revisited/361456/25 "2006-06-21T08:37:09Z")
I’d like to see a Trek series set amongst the lower decks of a Federation ship. Show us what life is like for the grunts in the engineering or security sections, constantly living in fear that they’ll be killed by some idiotic command decision or bizarre alien entity. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Clam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3bc359/32.png) [@Happy\_Clam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Clam)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2006, 9:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-series-ideas-revisited/361456/26 "2006-06-21T09:25:10Z")
[QUOTE=Lumpy] Here’s my idea for a Trek series that actually uses time travel in a good way: A Constellation-class starship from TOS\* goes through a timewarp or somesuch, and finds itself in **our** universe’s version of the twenty-first century (except that there is no Star Trek tv show or movies naturally). Not only was there no Eugenics Wars in the late 20th/ early 21st century, but the history of space exploration is entirely different from what the computer banks on the ship record. No A.I. probes to the nearest stars, no moonbases, no expeditions to Mars. Instead there is only the moribund space programs we actually have today. A quick survey of the star systems around Sol reveals more surprises: no abundant habitable planets, no life, much less intelligent life, still less intelligent life modeled on the humanoid plan. Only an empty wilderness of gas giants, airless moons and frozen snowballs, with no sign that life exists anywhere else in the galaxy besides Earth. Dismayed at what happened to the galaxy that they knew, the crew investigates and discovers evidence that the Trek version of history is in fact the **result** of time being altered. That the “barren galaxy” reallife version of history is the original version. Gradually, it’s revealed that mysterious forces have brought the starship and crew to create their own timeline, the version of galactic history that will eventually make the Trek universe the reality. So they get bounced around in time a lot altering history, sort of like a cross between Quantum Leap and Sliders. The producers buy the rights to various fictional SF series, and we get to see various alternate versions of outer space based on different fictional series and movies, like UFO\*\* or War of the Worlds. \*so that we get to see the version of the future where miniskirts and go-go boots are perfectly suitable attire for women in a professional government organization. 😃 \*\*see first footnote. 😃 😃 [/QUOTE] Actually, this would be cool as hell. I want to see a Star Trek crew take on the Kzin (like Klingons, but roughly 1 million times better)! I want to see the Enterprise overrun by Watchmakers! I want to see a Redshirt slain by a horde of Buggers! I want to see Galactus vs. Ripped Shirt Kirk! (Ok, maybe this last one is an no-no.) ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2006, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-series-ideas-revisited/361456/27 "2006-06-21T12:03:20Z")
[QUOTE=Diceman] but Starfleet has been decimated [/QUOTE] That would mean that they had sustained 10% losses. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Diceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Diceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diceman)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2006, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-series-ideas-revisited/361456/28 "2006-06-21T16:32:49Z")
[QUOTE=carnivorousplant] That would mean that they had sustained 10% losses. 🙂 [/QUOTE] Alright, then, they were decimated several times over. 😛 Oh, yeah, and it was the Defiant, not the Reliant :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2006, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-series-ideas-revisited/361456/29 "2006-06-21T17:00:55Z")
**Diceman** , while I like your idea, it suffers heavily from the Small Universe Syndrome that affects so many franchises. This is an interstellar empire that’s roughly 10,000 light years in diameter and has over 130 member planets and countless more colonies, most or all with populations numbering in the millions or billions, and you have a dozen characters from three different series that really have no reason to be interacting affecting each other and it stretches credulity. [QUOTE=carnivorousplant] That would mean that they had sustained 10% losses. 🙂 [/QUOTE] Originally, yes, but that’s now the less common definition. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2006, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-series-ideas-revisited/361456/30 "2006-06-21T17:08:16Z")
[QUOTE=Aesiron] Originally, yes, but that’s now the less common definition. [/QUOTE] As Chaucer is, shall Dryden be. ---
**Author:** ![BMalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@BMalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMalion)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2006, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-series-ideas-revisited/361456/31 "2006-06-21T17:16:26Z")
The Adventures of Harcourt Fenton Mudd! ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2006, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-series-ideas-revisited/361456/32 "2006-06-21T17:24:43Z")
[QUOTE=carnivorousplant] As Chaucer is, shall Dryden be. [/QUOTE] Sprichst du Deutsches? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2006, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-series-ideas-revisited/361456/33 "2006-06-21T17:30:49Z")
[QUOTE=Aesiron] Sprichst du Deutsches? [/QUOTE] "No longer now that golden age appears, When patriarch wits survived a thousand years: Now length of fame (our second life) is lost, And bare threescore is all even that can boast; Our sons their fathers’ failing language see, And such as Chaucer is, shall Dryden be. " -Alexander Pope. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2006, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-series-ideas-revisited/361456/34 "2006-06-21T17:52:02Z")
[QUOTE=athelas] re: OP Sounds like Star Trek: Serenity. [/QUOTE] Actually, I was thinking it sounded like Andromeda. ---
**Author:** ![Rocketeer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocketeer/32/4437_2.png) [@Rocketeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rocketeer)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2006, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-series-ideas-revisited/361456/35 "2006-06-21T18:21:21Z")
[QUOTE=carnivorousplant] "No longer now that golden age appears, When patriarch wits survived a thousand years: Now length of fame (our second life) is lost, And bare threescore is all even that can boast; Our sons their fathers’ failing language see, And such as Chaucer is, shall Dryden be. " -Alexander Pope. [/QUOTE] Dryden who? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2006, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-series-ideas-revisited/361456/36 "2006-06-21T18:36:23Z")
[QUOTE=Rocketeer] Dryden who? 😉 [/QUOTE] Aw, your Mama wears Thesauruses. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2006, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-series-ideas-revisited/361456/37 "2006-06-21T18:39:24Z")
AAIIIIEEEE!!! It’s the dreaded Thesaurus! Dreaded Thesaurus: “ROWR! Maim! Multilate! See: harm!” ---
**Author:** ![sciurophobic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cab0a1/32.png) [@sciurophobic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sciurophobic)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2006, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-series-ideas-revisited/361456/38 "2006-06-21T19:01:10Z")
[QUOTE=Gerome] I’d like to see a Trek series set amongst the lower decks of a Federation ship. Show us what life is like for the grunts in the engineering or security sections, constantly living in fear that they’ll be killed by some idiotic command decision or bizarre alien entity. [/QUOTE] I had the same idea, except it would be a workplace type comedy where they’d be ignorant of all the idiotic command decisions and bizarre alien entities. There would be red alerts, and every so often they’d be thrown out of their seats, but they would never know why, it would just be an accepted part of the job. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2006, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-series-ideas-revisited/361456/39 "2006-06-21T19:04:09Z")
[QUOTE=NoClueBoy] It’s the dreaded Thesaurus! [/QUOTE] It’s brandishing a faggot! ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2006, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-series-ideas-revisited/361456/40 "2006-06-21T19:22:42Z")
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