# Star Trek Squire of Gothos, Speculation **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 28, 2010, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-squire-of-gothos-speculation/548330 "2010-07-28T17:27:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2010, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-squire-of-gothos-speculation/548330/41 "2010-07-29T20:35:20Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > As for the human half Q girl, IIRC her parents were Q who chose to actually become human to have a human child (who might end up being Q ish (not that there is anything wrong with that)). Also, not sure if their chosing human form was temporary or permanent. If you’re born Qish, do you have to keep Qosher? ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2010, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-squire-of-gothos-speculation/548330/42 "2010-07-29T20:52:03Z")
> [@mlees](#): > > [QUOTE=Voyager] > A neutral zone is not mentioned in any TOS episode. The purpose of the Romulan neutral zone is to separate the Romulans from the Federation - while the Klingons and the Federation clearly had their own territories, there was never any mention of violation of a neutral zone when their ships met. A DMZ, perhaps, Klingon Neutral zone was specifically mentioned in TWOK and ST VI. (I don’t recall if it is mentioned in ST-V). While they are not TOS television episodes, they still occur in the (later) TOS timeframe, and are considered canon. [/QUOTE] Based on virtually no real information, I am of the opinion that only “Wrath of Khan” and “The Naked Time” are necessarily in continuity with TNG & DS9. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2010, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-squire-of-gothos-speculation/548330/43 "2010-07-29T21:05:13Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > If you’re born Qish, do you have to keep Qosher? Only if your Mother is Qish. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2010, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-squire-of-gothos-speculation/548330/44 "2010-07-29T21:15:11Z")
The first season of the original Star Trek was full of superpowered godlike beings. Of the 29 first season episodes, 4 episodes had a godlike being and 1 a godlike supercomputer. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2010, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-squire-of-gothos-speculation/548330/45 "2010-07-29T21:26:39Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > What about [Apollo](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Mourns_for_Adonis), is he a Q too? No, he’s the last representative of another advanced but mostly corporeal alien species - he and the rest can become incorporeal but it seems to be a one-way trip and they become essentially powerless when they do it. And Apollo’s powers didn’t extend very far beyond his planet, whereas even Trelane could move his whole planet around and, say, the Metrons and the Organians were orders of magnitude more powerful; and, rather clearly, Apollo was wholly dependent on a technological power source even if he did have some apparently advanced innate ability to control it. Which rather makes me feel that a better diplomat than Kirk could have explained humbly and patiently to Apollo that in the last subjective year alone the Enterprise had met numerous beings with a better claim to worship based on might than Apollo had, and that instead Apollo might have done better to make peaceful contact with the Federation and have historians, poets, dramatists, dancers and who knew who else fighting for the privilege to beat a path to his door both to listen to every word he might see fit to drop and to offer of their best performances to someone who’d known one of the founding races of Earth civilisation at first hand. I guess it was Apollo’s ill luck to be discovered by Kirk, not Picard. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2010, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-squire-of-gothos-speculation/548330/46 "2010-07-29T23:03:58Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > > [@mrklutz](#): > > > > Nah, that’s just a bizarre quirk you can pick up when you have a very common name. Back in high school I gamed at a place that had 5 or 6 Marks show up on any given Tuesday. We always knew which of us was being addressed when one of the Marks was talking, but anyone else who tried to just use “Mark” invariably got a response from the wrong one. > > > > Drove the non-Marks insane, it did. > > Gawd, you just had to drag the Marklars into it didnt you? 🙂 > > As for the human half Q girl, IIRC her parents were Q who chose to actually become human to have a human child (who might end up being Q ish (not that there is anything wrong with that)). Also, not sure if their chosing human form was temporary or permanent. Funny, she doesn’t look Qish. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2010, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-squire-of-gothos-speculation/548330/47 "2010-07-29T23:28:38Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > Apart from the Enterprise crew-member in TNG who discovers she’s the offspring of Q parents. Indeed. Every Q episode (except the first) contradicts some earlier aspect of Q-ness. I figure it’s because it’s a lazy shortcut of a character the writers could throw in whenever they needed to get a story started (or resolved) and couldn’t think of anything other than magic to do so. And since it’s magic, why _not_ just make it up as we go? It’s repeated inclusion in _Voyager_, where it could instantly resolve the series’ major problem but for some reason chose not to (or the offer was simply declined by Janeway) was especially unforgivable. I’m not a fan. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2010, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-squire-of-gothos-speculation/548330/48 "2010-07-29T23:32:16Z")
> [@Malacandra](#): > > I guess it was Apollo’s ill luck to be discovered by Kirk, not Picard. Being used to worship, I doubt Apollo would have enjoyed the attention of researchers. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-squire-of-gothos-speculation/548330/49 "2010-07-30T01:00:30Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Indeed. Every Q episode (except the first) contradicts some earlier aspect of Q-ness. How is that? > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > It’s repeated inclusion in _Voyager_, where it could instantly resolve the series’ major problem but for some reason chose not to (or the offer was simply declined by Janeway) was especially unforgivable. I thought that would be a way out, and may have been better than the finale, but it would have been as popular as the ending to Battlestar Galactica, if I may open another container of annelids. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-squire-of-gothos-speculation/548330/50 "2010-07-30T02:40:21Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > …It’s repeated inclusion in _Voyager_, where it could instantly resolve the series’ major problem but for some reason chose not to (or the offer was simply declined by Janeway) was especially unforgivable. > > I’m not a fan. All the woman had to do was [del]spread her legs[/del] touch fingers with Q once and Voyager would’ve gotten home within seconds. 😉 [cought]Selfish bitch[/cought]. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-squire-of-gothos-speculation/548330/51 "2010-07-30T02:44:31Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > All the woman had to do was [del]spread her legs[/del] touch fingers with Q once and Voyager would’ve gotten home within seconds. 😉 [cought]Selfish bitch[/cought]. Boy, I’ve heard of putting it on a pedestal, but thats a bit much. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-squire-of-gothos-speculation/548330/52 "2010-07-30T02:48:34Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > > > …It’s repeated inclusion in _Voyager_, where it could instantly resolve the series’ major problem but for some reason chose not to (or the offer was simply declined by Janeway) was especially unforgivable. > > > > I’m not a fan. > > All the woman had to do was [del]spread her legs[/del] touch fingers with Q once and Voyager would’ve gotten home within seconds. 😉 [cought]Selfish bitch[/cought]. I thought it would have been a great finale for her to decide to make the Ultimate Sacrifice, only to have it happen like the Q baby did, just “poof” there it is. 🙂 But as I said, it would not have Gone Over Well with trekkers. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-squire-of-gothos-speculation/548330/53 "2010-07-30T03:07:51Z")
Eh, that’s a problem with _Voyager_, not with the Q. They also could have solved the series’ major problem by _not violating the Prime Directive in the first episode_. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-squire-of-gothos-speculation/548330/54 "2010-07-30T03:08:58Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > They also could have solved the series’ major problem by _not violating the Prime Directive in the first episode_. I have the utmost respect for you, but get over it! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-squire-of-gothos-speculation/548330/55 "2010-07-30T03:11:42Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > > > Indeed. Every Q episode (except the first) contradicts some earlier aspect of Q-ness. > > How is that? Phil Farrand’s _Nitpicker’s Guide_ covers this quite extensively, including bits about how no human has ever had Q powers, until we find out one did, the Q would never stand for it, until they do, and the Q are omnipotent, until they’re not… It’s like trying to analyze the dramatic implications of the Great Gazoo. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-squire-of-gothos-speculation/548330/56 "2010-07-30T03:18:12Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Phil Farrand’s _Nitpicker’s Guide_ Includes things like, “Machine guns don’t keep on running after they shoot all the bullets” in reference to the cartridge casing rolling about on the floor in a Next Generation movie. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-squire-of-gothos-speculation/548330/57 "2010-07-30T03:56:19Z")
So you’re dismissing the entire work because it also contains something not relevant to the issue at hand, which you find to be… silly, or something. I sure hope you never cite wikipedia. There’s _lots_ of stuff there that might lead someone to dismiss it out of hand. So there’s a page explaining the mathematics of Lagrange points? FUCK THAT SHIT! They have a whole page on _Skeletor_! How can you POSSIBLY take them SERIOUSLY?!?!?!?! eyeroll-eyeroll-eyeroll ---
**Author:** ![EvilTOJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee59a6/32.png) [@EvilTOJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EvilTOJ)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 10:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-squire-of-gothos-speculation/548330/58 "2010-07-30T10:36:29Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > > [@jayjay](#): > > > > Why clearly? [Star Trek VI is full of dialogue about a neutral zone between the Federation and the Klingon Empire.](http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Neutral_zone) > > It’s pretty clear from context there that they aren’t talking about the Romulan Neutral Zone, since that was effectively still a legitimate treaty zone during the run of, at least, ST:TNG. > > A neutral zone is not mentioned in any TOS episode. The purpose of the Romulan neutral zone is to separate the Romulans from the Federation - while the Klingons and the Federation clearly had their own territories, there was never any mention of violation of a neutral zone when their ships met. A DMZ, perhaps, The Romulan neutral zone is mentioned at length in Balance of Terror, and the Klingon neutral zone is mentioned in Trouble with Tribbles. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-squire-of-gothos-speculation/548330/59 "2010-07-30T13:50:14Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > > [@Malacandra](#): > > > > I guess it was Apollo’s ill luck to be discovered by Kirk, not Picard. > > Being used to worship, I doubt Apollo would have enjoyed the attention of researchers. Researchers wouldn’t have been the half of it - though I should have thought it would please Apollo’s vanity to have a constant stream of visitors eager to queue for a chance to listen to his least word. What artist or performer could turn down the opportunity to present their best work to him? He was renowned as the patron god of music and the arts, and if it’s not worship to compete with the best singers, actors, poets and dancers on fifty planets to be allowed to perform before him, it’s pretty darn close. Besides, it’s a big Federation; Kirk and crew may be too hard-assed to worship a powerful alien, but even if only one Federation citizen in ten million feels inclined to turn into a religious pilgrim, that’s a pretty sizeable congregation. Apollo should have been a little less hasty to experience worship again and Kirk should have been more diplomatic. (On t’other hand, the Greek gods weren’t exactly renowned for being willing to listen to reason.) ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2010, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-squire-of-gothos-speculation/548330/60 "2010-07-30T14:13:58Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Includes things like, “Machine guns don’t keep on running after they shoot all the bullets” in reference to the cartridge casing rolling about on the floor in a Next Generation movie. :rolleyes: What’s your point? Is the :rolleyes: directed at the NPG, or at the film? And why? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-squire-of-gothos-speculation/548330.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-squire-of-gothos-speculation/548330.md?page=4)