# Star Trek Squire of Gothos, Speculation **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 28, 2010, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-squire-of-gothos-speculation/548330 "2010-07-28T17:27:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-squire-of-gothos-speculation/548330/81 "2010-08-04T01:28:53Z")
Likewise, a long time since I saw it, but IIRC the justification was that interacting with Humans started the war, so Q thought that interacting with humans, the same bunch of humans, might stop it. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-squire-of-gothos-speculation/548330/82 "2010-08-04T02:03:35Z")
Sounds like the Gilligan’s Island theory of amnesia. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-squire-of-gothos-speculation/548330/83 "2010-08-04T02:05:02Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Sounds like the Gilligan’s Island theory of amnesia. You talkin’ to ME, Ekers? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-squire-of-gothos-speculation/548330/84 "2010-08-04T02:20:16Z")
I think he’s talking to me. But I have no idea what it means. I don’t think Gilligan’s Island has ever been shown in my country, certainly I’ve never seen a single episode. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-squire-of-gothos-speculation/548330/85 "2010-08-04T02:29:21Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > I think he’s talking to me. But I have no idea what it means. I don’t think Gilligan’s Island has ever been shown in my country, certainly I’ve never seen a single episode. It was a comedy TV show about castaways and their attempts to escape and return to civilization. “Gilligans Island” and “Lost in Space” were derisive references to Voyager. Certainly one of the worst Trek series, it does not deserve the derision given it by some folks on the board, if only for the Janeway line, “Breakout the Compression Phaser Rifles.” 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-squire-of-gothos-speculation/548330/86 "2010-08-04T02:35:39Z")
Damn, I want [one!](http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Compression_phaser_rifle) 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-squire-of-gothos-speculation/548330/87 "2010-08-04T03:03:16Z")
Actually, it was a just a reference to a recurring premise of _Gilligan’s Island_ in that if a blow to the head causes amnesia, a second blow will cure it. And the\* Voyager \*line that always kills me is Torres’ deadly-serious “Get the cheese to sickbay.” “Still no sign of Neelix’s lungs!” is a close second. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-squire-of-gothos-speculation/548330/88 "2010-08-04T03:51:22Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > And the\* Voyager \*line that always kills me is Torres’ deadly-serious “Get the cheese to sickbay.” > > “Still no sign of Neelix’s lungs!” is a close second. I thought that was delivered by Janeway. The worst is the episode where Janeway and Paris travel at warp 10, turn into salamanders and produce offspring. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-squire-of-gothos-speculation/548330/89 "2010-08-04T03:52:43Z")
So, Mr. Ekers, how badly did Enterprise fellate? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-squire-of-gothos-speculation/548330/90 "2010-08-04T04:02:36Z")
_Enterprise_ had such wasted potential, it’s almost painful to talk about. I’m prepared to write off the first two seasons (Sulaban and Xindi) as being wastes of time with a few random good moments (rather the same way I felt about TNG, actually) and it had just started to hit its stride when they introduced the Andorian/Vulcan rivalry. I’ve written here how I would have preferred the “augment” mini-arc to end. It would have been a lot more violent. One edge it had over TNG, DS9 and Voyager: no damn kids. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-squire-of-gothos-speculation/548330/91 "2010-08-04T04:05:20Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > _Enterprise_ had such wasted potential, it’s almost painful to talk about. I’m prepared to write off the first two seasons (Sulaban and Xindi) as being wastes of time with a few random good moments (rather the same way I felt about TNG, actually) and it had just started to hit its stride when they introduced the Andorian/Vulcan rivalry. I am surprised that we agree on something. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 9:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-squire-of-gothos-speculation/548330/92 "2010-08-04T09:22:04Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > > > And the\* Voyager \*line that always kills me is Torres’ deadly-serious “Get the cheese to sickbay.” > > > > “Still no sign of Neelix’s lungs!” is a close second. > > I thought that was delivered by Janeway. > The worst is the episode where Janeway and Paris travel at warp 10, turn into salamanders and produce offspring. > 🙂 The only episode that was directly contradicted onscreen. Paris later says he’s never gone to transwarp before. I fanwank it as one of Paris’s many holoprograms. Or maybe even one designed by Neelix, since he gets called a genius. Yeah, sure. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-squire-of-gothos-speculation/548330/93 "2010-08-04T20:10:47Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > The only episode that was directly contradicted onscreen. Paris later says he’s never gone to transwarp before. > > I fanwank it as one of Paris’s many holoprograms. Or maybe even one designed by Neelix, since he gets called a genius. Yeah, sure. More likely the writers trying to convince everyone that they never wrote that piece of crap in the first place. To borrow from another franchise: “This is not the continuity you’re looking for…” ---
**Author:** ![Todderbob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e47774/32.png) [@Todderbob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Todderbob)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-squire-of-gothos-speculation/548330/94 "2010-08-04T20:35:42Z")
Okay, if we’re going to ask questions about Voyager, I’ve got a few… Why can they use Holodecks, if they’re so close to out of power? And don’t give me that incompatibility bullshit, because my iPod’s incompatible with my car, but they make a goddamn adapter for that. And it’s bullshit that the Federation would even design something like that. How many goddamn motherfucking shuttles can you fucking retards lose?! ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-squire-of-gothos-speculation/548330/95 "2010-08-04T20:57:27Z")
> [@Todderbob](#): > > How many goddamn motherfucking shuttles can you fucking retards lose?! It was eventually decided that they were manufacturing replacements. Which may be why they lost so many. Paris went for mag wheels over good brakes every damn time. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-squire-of-gothos-speculation/548330/96 "2010-08-04T22:51:01Z")
Trelane was played by actor William Campbell. His ex-wife, [Judith](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Exner), is well known in JFK conspiracy circles as she was alleged to be and sometimes claimed to have been (her stories varied wildly) simultaneously the mistress of JFK and Sam Giancana at the time of the 1960 election and to have had an abortion by JFK during his campaign. (There are many :dubious: doubts about some of her claims, but most accept she had a sexual relationship with JFK.) ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2010, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-squire-of-gothos-speculation/548330/97 "2010-08-04T22:57:25Z")
[Picture of Judith and William Campbell-](http://www.whosdatedwho.com/couples/photos/judith-exner-and-william-campbell.htm) He apparently shared a stylist with Liberace. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2010, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-squire-of-gothos-speculation/548330/98 "2010-08-05T00:58:44Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > He apparently shared a stylist with Liberace. Or Elvis, or Robert Mitchum. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-squire-of-gothos-speculation/548330.md?page=4)