# Star Trek -- the "I saw it" thread \*\*SPOILERS\*\* **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 7, 2009, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640 "2009-05-07T08:13:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/321 "2009-05-14T18:35:54Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Yeah, and that makes no sense whatsoever. This _Enterprise_ was supposed to be brand new (though calling it a “flagship” annoys me for the same reason it did when the Enterprise-D was called a flagship - clearly by people who don’t know what a flagship _is_) so where are all the officers waiting to get assigned to it? Pike’s “staff” consisted of… Spock? He hadn’t already picked department heads and whatnot? You really weren’t paying attention were you? Every one of your criticisms are predicated on not watching the movie closely. The ship wasn’t due for launch. They hadn’t had the christening yet. Presumably the crew hadn’t been transferred. The entire fleet was at the “Lorengian” system at some crisis. Sheesh, could you at least pay attention before lamenting about plot holes? 😃 > [@](#): > > And that’s only possible because he conveniently ran into Spock-prime who knew about “transwarp beaming” which, like red matter, was conjured out of nowhere for this movie. That’s how technobabble works, they conjure it out of nowhere. If you don’t like technobabble, stop watching Star Trek. > [@](#): > > I dind’t see any indication of that, nor any reason why it should be important. It’s public knowledge where SF headquarters is. You think they chose that place randomly? > [@](#): > > Well, at this point you start delving into the realm of magic. V’Ger and the whale probe, both products of mind-bogglingly advanced alien supertech, similarly knocked down Earth’s defenses, somehow. A Romulan mining ship, albeit one of 121 years in the future, can do the same? Impressive. It blew up seven capital ships in less time that it took to unlock the Enterprise’s parking break. Remember, Sulu forgetting to disengage the “external inertial damper” is why they didn’t take off with the rest of the fleet. In the minute it took them to get underway Nero’s ship had obliterated the other ships. It had also destroyed 46 Klingon vessels earlier as per Uhura’s interception. Nero’s ship is the tits. > [@](#): > > Sopeaking of which, I have to admit that once the time-travel aspect of the plot was introduced, I started thinking the movie would end with a big “reset”. So much so, in fact, that the loss of Vulcan didn’t really matter to me because I figured they’d just bring it back anyway. I give the writers some respect for letting that stick (assuming it does through the next few movies). Time travel sucks in general, but at least it was \*accidental \*time travel here. Not necessarily something repeatable. > [@](#): > > Heck, why not throw in Mariette Hartley while you’re at it? She was in the back of the cave, recovering. ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/322 "2009-05-14T18:42:30Z")
**Bryan Ekers** said: > [@](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > They chose SF because it’s the Federation’s headquarters. > > I dind’t see any indication of that, nor any reason why it should be important. Really? Were you watching the movie? Because the building they show is shown after Kirk enters Starfleet, and is getting ready for his 3rd Kobayashi Maru. The people all over the place are wearing cadet uniforms. It’s also established canon, from _The Voyage Home_. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/323 "2009-05-14T18:49:00Z")
It’s shown to be Starfleet’s HQ when Nero targets it. A little tooltip pops up with the UFP’s flag on it. That’s why he targeted it, I imagine. This movie’s rife with holes (not that it matters), but that isn’t one. ---
**Author:** ![TWDuke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@TWDuke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TWDuke)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/324 "2009-05-14T18:49:53Z")
> [@](#): > > You really seem to not know the definition of “straining”. While it may not be a definition, trying to argue that firing on an enemy makes less sense than plunging a star ship into a black hole seems to be a good example of straining to find a flaw. > [@](#): > > They chose SF because it’s the Federation’s headquarters. > [@](#): > > I didn’t see any indication of that, nor any reason why it should be important. Seriously? A madman with a serious grudge against the Federation couldn’t possibly think that’s important? Destroying a planet might not be just a little more satisfying if you do it in such a way as to cause maximum fear and suffering at the heart of a hated institution - one that’s directly connected with the individual you hate most in all the universe? And it’s a _plot hole_ that there wasn’t a pause in the action to explain the bleeding obvious? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/325 "2009-05-14T18:55:29Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > You really weren’t paying attention were you? Every one of your criticisms are predicated on not watching the movie closely. The ship wasn’t due for launch. They hadn’t had the christening yet. Presumably the crew hadn’t been transferred. The entire fleet was at the “Lorengian” system at some crisis. Sheesh, could you at least pay attention before lamenting about plot holes? 😃 So while most of the fleet is off somewhere, let’s throw the _rest_, including one ship that doesn’t have anything close to a proper crew, into a crisis about which we know nothing. Heck, no wonder Kirk got his promotion - all of Starfleet is made up of rash idjits. > [@](#): > > That’s how technobabble works, they conjure it out of nowhere. If you don’t like technobabble, stop watching Star Trek. Well, silly me for hoping a much ballyhooed “reboot” would abandon some of the stupider ideas of the past. > [@](#): > > It’s public knowledge where SF headquarters is. You think they chose that place randomly? There’s no indication that Nero knew, or cared, where SFHQ was. Why would he? > [@](#): > > It blew up seven capital ships in less time that it took to unlock the Enterprise’s parking break. Remember, Sulu forgetting to disengage the “external inertial damper” is why they didn’t take off with the rest of the fleet. In the minute it took them to get underway Nero’s ship had obliterated the other ships. It had also destroyed 46 Klingon vessels earlier as per Uhura’s interception. Right, and Sulu’s screwup is just another silly coincidence that keeps the plot moving, because otherwise the Enterprise would’ve been toasted in a few seconds (which incidentally opens up yet another plot hole - how Kirk’s dad managed, by himself and with a ship less advanced than the seven ships that would later attack, to hold off Nero’s ship for several minutes culminating in a minute-long kamikaze dive, when Nero should’ve been able to destroy him in three seconds flat). > [@](#): > > Nero’s ship is the tits. Yeah, apparently, which makes all this battle crap moot. Hey, here’s a thought - since we can beam objects right onto Nero’s ship, why not beam aboard some big bombs or something? Nero’s ship was comically screwy, incidentally, with platforms sticking out all over the place like some like of live-action Mario game (“All I asked for was a railing, but they said we’d be _leaning_ against it all day!”). > [@](#): > > Time travel sucks in general, but at least it was \*accidental \*time travel here. Not necessarily something repeatable. Hey, once you have black holes that don’t behave anything like black holes as we understand them, all bets are off. I’m surprised it didn’t occur to Kirk to, say, dive through the black hole on purpose, go further back in time, find Nero’s ancestors, break up their marriage, and thus undo all the events of the film. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/326 "2009-05-14T18:59:20Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > You really weren’t paying attention were you? Every one of your criticisms are predicated on not watching the movie closely. The ship wasn’t due for launch. They hadn’t had the christening yet. Presumably the crew hadn’t been transferred. The entire fleet was at the “Lorengian” system at some crisis. Sheesh, could you at least pay attention before lamenting about plot holes? They do seem to have changed the definition of flagship to “Newest and Shiniest”, though. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/327 "2009-05-14T19:11:15Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > So while most of the fleet is off somewhere, let’s throw the _rest_, including one ship that doesn’t have anything close to a proper crew, into a crisis about which we know nothing. Communications were cut off and they didn’t know an unstoppable future mining ship would be there. > [@](#): > > Heck, no wonder Kirk got his promotion - all of Starfleet is made up of rash idjits. > > Well, silly me for hoping a much ballyhooed “reboot” would abandon some of the stupider ideas of the past. It got rid of a lot of them. > [@](#): > > There’s no indication that Nero knew, or cared, where SFHQ was. Why would he? Look upthread. It’s common knowledge, why wouldn’t he, it doesn’t cost any more money to drill a hole at the headquarters than it does at Antarctica. You’re dead wrong, sorry. > [@](#): > > Right, and Sulu’s screwup is just another silly coincidence that keeps the plot moving, because otherwise the Enterprise would’ve been toasted in a few seconds (which incidentally opens up yet another plot hole - how Kirk’s dad managed, by himself and with a ship less advanced than the seven ships that would later attack, to hold off Nero’s ship for several minutes culminating in a minute-long kamikaze dive, when Nero should’ve been able to destroy him in three seconds flat). Yeah, a silly coincidence. I’d like to introduce you to the concept of _drama_. If a silly hobbit hadn’t picked up a ring LOtR woudln’t have happened either. If a failed assasin hadn’t been stopping at a deli WWI wouldn’t have happened. Nero wasn’t ready for a fight at that time, he had just come through the wormhole. Presumably he was laying in ambush and ready to go for the fleet sent to Vulcan. > [@](#): > > Yeah, apparently, which makes all this battle crap moot. Hey, here’s a thought - since we can beam objects right onto Nero’s ship, why not beam aboard some big bombs or something? That’s a classic Star Trek blunder. But in this case, they were in Earth’s system full of _Red Matter_. Nukeing the ship would have been a bad idea. > [@](#): > > Nero’s ship was comically screwy, incidentally, with platforms sticking out all over the place like some like of live-action Mario game (“All I asked for was a railing, but they said we’d be _leaning_ against it all day!”). Romulans are emo. > [@](#): > > Hey, once you have black holes that don’t behave anything like black holes as we understand them, all bets are off. I’m surprised it didn’t occur to Kirk to, say, dive through the black hole on purpose, go further back in time, find Nero’s ancestors, break up their marriage, and thus undo all the events of the film. Because they might have ended up anywhere in history or anywhere in the universe for that matter? And shooting them seemed to work. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/328 "2009-05-14T19:26:55Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Look upthread. It’s common knowledge, why wouldn’t he, it doesn’t cost any more money to drill a hole at the headquarters than it does at Antarctica. You’re dead wrong, sorry. No, I stand by my original assertion - that it was a production decision. They’d already secured the “Academy” buildings and rounded up a few hundred extras in cadet costumes, so why not spend the extra day having then run around and gawk up at the sky? > [@](#): > > Yeah, a silly coincidence. I’d like to introduce you to the concept of _drama_. If a silly hobbit hadn’t picked up a ring LOtR wouldn’t have happened either. If a failed assasin hadn’t been stopping at a deli WWI wouldn’t have happened. One or two might be okay to establish the plot - piling them on with glee to keep the plot moving gets on my nerves. > [@](#): > > Nero wasn’t ready for a fight at that time, he had just come through the wormhole. Presumably he was laying in ambush and ready to go for the fleet sent to Vulcan. Nero’s waiting around for Spock-prime to show up, right? Nobody in the intervening 25 years goes out to investigate this weird “lightning storm” where one starship has already been lost? There are plenty of surviving witnesses, after all. How does a ship as big and powerful and conspicuous as Nero’s go about “laying in ambush” all that time without being noticed? hat’s a classic Star Trek blunder. But in this case, they were in Earth’s system full of _Red Matter_. Nukeing the ship would have been a bad idea. > [@](#): > > Because they might have ended up anywhere in history or anywhere in the universe for that matter? Not with _these_ writers. They’d’ve ended up at McCoy’s wedding or something. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/329 "2009-05-14T19:39:19Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > You really seem to not know the definition of “straining”. No, he’s right. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/330 "2009-05-14T19:45:16Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > No, he’s right. No, he’s not. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/331 "2009-05-14T19:51:41Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Right, and Sulu’s screwup is just another silly coincidence that keeps the plot moving … I got a real sense of “fate” from this movie. One could say the writers are expressing “where you be is where you at” and therefore _something_ had to delay the Enterprise’s arrival, whether it be Kirk’s and Uhura’s new information or Sulu’s brainfart, or both. > [@](#): > > Nero’s ship was comically screwy, incidentally, with platforms sticking out all over the place like some like of live-action Mario game (“All I asked for was a railing, but they said we’d be _leaning_ against it all day!”). It looked to me like cargo holds and catwalks. Or high-bay warehouses with catwalks. Definitely catwalks, though. Incidentally I’m going to see it again today. It’s the first movie since The Wrath of Khan that I’ve seen twice in the theater. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/332 "2009-05-14T19:52:39Z")
As an incidental note, I figure the whole point of the 25-year thing was so James Kirk could be marked as a man of destiny. I don’t recall Kirk’s father ever appearing or being mentioned before in any canon, let alone described as a heroic Starfleet officer from whom James must have (in the simplistic world of movies) inherited some kind of unshakable heroism. I only mention this because I wonder how the people of [Riverside, Iowa](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riverside,_Iowa#Future_birthplace_of_Captain_Kirk) feel now that their “Future Birthplace of Captain James T. Kirk” plaque has been retconned out of significance. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/333 "2009-05-14T19:54:43Z")
> [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](#): > > Incidentally I’m going to see it again today. It’s the first movie since The Wrath of Khan that I’ve seen twice in the theater. Do a fellow Charter Member a favor and write down the tail number of the shuttle in the scene with Spock and Spock Prime. Something like 120910. 🙂 Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/334 "2009-05-14T19:56:43Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > No, I stand by my original assertion - that it was a production decision. They’d already secured the “Academy” buildings and rounded up a few hundred extras in cadet costumes, so why not spend the extra day having then run around and gawk up at the sky? You’re clearly wrong. And you stamping your feet doesn’t make it right. 😃 > [@](#): > > One or two might be okay to establish the plot - piling them on with glee to keep the plot moving gets on my nerves. Evidently. > [@](#): > > Nero’s waiting around for Spock-prime to show up, right? Nobody in the intervening 25 years goes out to investigate this weird “lightning storm” where one starship has already been lost? There are plenty of surviving witnesses, after all. How does a ship as big and powerful and conspicuous as Nero’s go about “laying in ambush” all that time without being noticed? Once again, you don’t listen to the dialogue and then get pissed when you don’t understand what’s going on. Nero came to where Spock would emerge from the wormhole. His second in command said, “we’re at the spot we calculated.” So they, using their 24th century computers figured out the spot where Spock would re-emerge from the wormhole. They weren’t in the same place the whole time. And they certainly weren’t in orbit of Vulcan until just before the attack. Watch it again and take notes, youf _fanboy rage_ has made you miss important plot points. > [@](#): > > Not with _these_ writers. They’d’ve ended up at McCoy’s wedding or something. Lol. Or they would’ve ended up somewhere with an awesome story and told it in an exciting fashion. ---
**Author:** ![blondebear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blondebear/32/1022_2.png) [@blondebear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blondebear)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/335 "2009-05-14T19:58:41Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I only mention this because I wonder how the people of [Riverside, Iowa](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riverside,_Iowa#Future_birthplace_of_Captain_Kirk) feel now that their “Future Birthplace of Captain James T. Kirk” plaque has been retconned out of significance. Maybe they need to get a shovel brigade together and start working that huge crevasse/canyon-thing? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/336 "2009-05-14T19:59:06Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I only mention this because I wonder how the people of [Riverside, Iowa](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riverside,_Iowa#Future_birthplace_of_Captain_Kirk) feel now that their “Future Birthplace of Captain James T. Kirk” plaque has been retconned out of significance. Oh I’m sure between now and then one’ll get born there anyway. [QUOTE=carnivorousplant] Do a fellow Charter Member a favor and write down the tail number of the shuttle in the scene with Spock and Spock Prime. Something like 120910. Thanks. [/quote] I’ll. TRY.. to remember. I’ll. try. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/337 "2009-05-14T20:01:00Z")
> [@blondebear](#): > > Maybe they need to get a shovel brigade together and start working that huge crevasse/canyon-thing? 😃 About the canyon. I’m pretty sure it was artificial. It looks like a rock quarry. I don’t know if Iowa has rock quarries or not mind you. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/338 "2009-05-14T20:01:30Z")
I always took the “canyon” to be a rock quarry, too. It seemed boxy and artificial to me. > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I only mention this because I wonder how the people of [Riverside, Iowa](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riverside,_Iowa#Future_birthplace_of_Captain_Kirk) feel now that their “Future Birthplace of Captain James T. Kirk” plaque has been retconned out of significance. I’m pretty sure that was never canon, anyway. The dialogue from The Voyage Home as I remember it was “I’m from Iowa. I only work in space”. No city was mentioned, and he never said he was _born_ there. ---
**Author:** ![BlueOhio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/439d5e/32.png) [@BlueOhio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlueOhio)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/339 "2009-05-14T20:12:34Z")
Riverside was named as the Star Fleet base he motorcycled to, wasn’t it? As for the canyon/gouge, it reminded me of something the Xindi did in the tv show Enterprise, but I didn’t watch it well enough to know any details. Any Enterprise watchers remember? (I think it was the Xindi anyway). ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/340 "2009-05-14T20:14:51Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > You’re clearly wrong. And you stamping your feet doesn’t make it right. 😃 No, I’m right, and you spitting blood in impotent fury until you go into shock won’t change that, try though you might. > [@](#): > > Once again, you don’t listen to the dialogue and then get pissed when you don’t understand what’s going on. Nero came to where Spock would emerge from the wormhole. His second in command said, “we’re at the spot we calculated.” So they, using their 24th century computers figured out the spot where Spock would re-emerge from the wormhole. They weren’t in the same place the whole time. And they certainly weren’t in orbit of Vulcan until just before the attack. Watch it again and take notes, youf _fanboy rage_ has made you miss important plot points. So where were they for 25 years? Lurking? Skulking? Killing time by posting on message boards? > [@](#): > > Lol. Or they would’ve ended up somewhere with an awesome story and told it in an exciting fashion. Now, _that_ would be a plot twist! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640.md?page=18)