# Star Trek -- the "I saw it" thread \*\*SPOILERS\*\* **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 7, 2009, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640 "2009-05-07T08:13:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/541 "2009-05-17T02:24:04Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Let’s [check it out](http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/TOS/episodes/index.html). > > (24) The Devil in the Dark. A tie. Kill them, save some miners. Let the miners die, profit. One for Republicans or Quark. I might point out that they were trying to kill the Horta from the beginning, before they even knew her name, and managed to critically injure it; were it not for McCoy thinking out of the box they’d have succeeded. But they realized at the crucial moment that the HUMANS were in the wrong, not the Horta. Well–at least the humans started it. Nobody was actually in the right, but the Horta was nearer than the miners. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/542 "2009-05-17T02:31:38Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Okay, 3 things. First off, I’m gonna teleport you a carton of cigs and a couple of sixpacks and a hookerbot, because, dude, that was too much damn work for a message board. A labor of love. [Sobranie Black Russian.](http://www.cigarettesmix.com/sobranie-black-russian.html) Heineken Dark. Cassandra Wilson. Be sure to include vocal capabilities. I left out No. 10, Dagger Of the Mind. I can’t remember if anyone died in that one, you might win it, too. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/543 "2009-05-17T02:36:20Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Well–at least the humans started it. Nobody was actually in the right, but the Horta was nearer than the miners. My point that it’s a tie. I’d go for saving the miners over the Horta and her race. Call it prejudice or Darwinian Selection. BTW, this episode contains two of my favorite Star Trek lines: Kirk: They’re aigs, aren’t they? Spock: Yes, eggs. Where are the smokes? ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/544 "2009-05-17T02:37:08Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > A labor of love. > > [Sobranie Black Russian.](http://www.cigarettesmix.com/sobranie-black-russian.html) > Heineken Dark. > Cassandra Wilson. Be sure to include vocal capabilities. > I left out No. 10, Dagger Of the Mind. I can’t remember if anyone died in that one, you might win it, too. Hookerbots do not have vocal capabilities. I’m not sure you understand what the term “hookerbot” means. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/545 "2009-05-17T02:39:35Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > My point that it’s a tie. I’d go for saving the miners over the Horta and her race. Call it prejudice or Darwinian Selection. Except that, by the end of the episode, EVEN THE MINERS are glad the Horta was spared. The Horta and her spawn end up saving them a lot of time and effort and money. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/546 "2009-05-17T02:42:53Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Except that, by the end of the episode, EVEN THE MINERS are glad the Horta was spared. The Horta and her spawn end up saving them a lot of time and effort and money. Even though their pals and comrades got acided into pools of goop. I win the point of profit, Republicans or Quark. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/547 "2009-05-17T02:45:20Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > I’m not sure you understand what the term “hookerbot” means. Perhaps not. Are you sending a Cassandra Wilson look alike over here, or not? ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/548 "2009-05-17T02:45:48Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Even though their pals and comrades got acided into pools of goop.\*\* I win the point of profit, Republicans or Quark\*\*. What does that bolded section mean? Anyway, it was more profitable to let the Hortas live and contribute. And if you mean DS9’s Quark, I think he’d agree, as he didn’t like killing things. I don’t think Ferengi in general like being killers; the ones we met on TNG were a minority, noticeable because, well, they were so damn loud. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/549 "2009-05-17T02:48:57Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Perhaps not. Are you sending a Cassandra Wilson look alike over here, or not? Already sent it. You DID remember to uncouple the anti-graviton field and reverse the polarity on your wave motion transceiver so you can receive incoming teleports, I assume. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/550 "2009-05-17T02:55:41Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Already sent it. You DID remember to uncouple the anti-graviton field and reverse the polarity on your wave motion transceiver so you can receive incoming teleports, I assume. Yeah, she finally got here, but she keeps singing “Strange Fruit” and it freaks me out. I’ll get over it. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/551 "2009-05-17T02:57:24Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > What does that bolded section mean? > > Anyway, it was more profitable to let the Hortas live and contribute. And if you mean DS9’s Quark, I think he’d agree, as he didn’t like killing things. I don’t think Ferengi in general like being killers; the ones we met on TNG were a minority, noticeable because, well, they were so damn loud. I side on saving red shirts (or minor miners) over aliens. Quark is always for profit, like the guys who own mines in West Virginia. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/552 "2009-05-17T04:06:00Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Well, I like the “angry” better, and I didn’t hear about this subterfuge explanation until 20 years after the movie came out, so we’ll have to agree to disagree. I can’t even figure out why people would think it was subterfuge. What is supposed to eliminate the default interpretation that he’s expressing the emotions he appears to be expressing? ---
**Author:** ![Jihi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jihi/32/17768_2.png) [@Jihi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jihi)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/553 "2009-05-17T04:28:12Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Already sent it. You DID remember to uncouple the anti-graviton field and reverse the polarity on your wave motion transceiver so you can receive incoming teleports, I assume. Too much technobabble. If I want a hookerbot, can’t I just shoot things and make with the clever quips? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/554 "2009-05-17T12:14:35Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Even though their pals and comrades got acided into pools of goop. Yeah, but once the whole “mother protecting her babies” thing was revealed, it’s hard to stay mad. The biggest plot hole in that episode is why the mother horta kept the air pump (or even knew that it was important) instead of just eating it. ---
**Author:** ![Pushkin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ee59a6/32.png) [@Pushkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pushkin)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/555 "2009-05-17T14:13:55Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > I can’t even figure out why people would think it was subterfuge. > > What is supposed to eliminate the default interpretation that he’s expressing the emotions he appears to be expressing? Later on, Kirk rather casually flips open his communicator and asks Spock to pick them up. It gives the impression that Kirk fully expected Spock and Scotty to have completed repairs to the Enterprise and that there never to be a marooning on this rock. Khan didn’t taunt him about stealing the Genesis device after all, simply that he was going to leave him, buried alive. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/556 "2009-05-17T14:40:23Z")
> [@Pushkin](#): > > Later on, Kirk rather casually flips open his communicator and asks Spock to pick them up. It gives the impression that Kirk fully expected Spock and Scotty to have completed repairs to the Enterprise and that there never to be a marooning on this rock. Yes but Kirk also knows that the _Enterprise_ is in serious trouble. If Khan had attacked during or just after the “days into hours” message, he could’ve blown the _Enterprise_ away with little effort. Kirk’s motive, I figured, was to delay Khan as much as possible. When Khan showed no interest in being taunted, Kirk gets angry. Khan, as it turns out, was suckered by the message and _doesn’t_ go after the _Enterprise_ right away, but Kirk has no way of knowing this. Anyway, I’ll vote for “angry” for the same reason I’ll vote for “Deckard is human” - the story isn’t improved by the change. ---
**Author:** ![ArrMatey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/arrmatey/32/3522_2.png) [@ArrMatey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArrMatey)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/557 "2009-05-17T15:52:46Z")
> [@drastic\_quench](#): > > Abrams: > "The flares weren’t just happening from on-camera light sources, they were happening off camera, and that was really the key to it. I want [to create] the sense that, just off camera, something spectacular is happening. There was always a sense of something, and also there is a really cool organic layer thats a quality of it. They were all done live, they weren’t added later. There are something about those flares, especially in a movie that can potentially be very sterile and CG and overly controlled. There is something incredibly unpredictable and gorgeous about them. It is a really fun thing. Our DP would be off camera with this incredibly powerful flashlight aiming it at the lens. It became an art because different lenses required angles, and different proximity to the lens. Sometimes, when we were outside we’d use mirrors. Certain sizes were too big… literally, it was ridiculous. It was like another actor in the scene… > > We had two cameras, so sometimes we had two different spotlight operators. When there was atmosphere in the room, you had to be really careful because you could see the beams. So it was this ridiculous, added level of pain in the ass, but I love… [looking at] the final cut, [the flares] to me, were a fun additional touch that I think, while overdone, in some places, it feels like the future is that bright." Hm. I see. _Stabs Abrams in the eye with a fork_ That makes it look different, too. Beyond that, loved the movie. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/558 "2009-05-17T17:10:42Z")
May I ask a stupid question? I just watched TWOK last night. It is not the movie I remembered. Is there another Star Trek film that features Khan on a planet where he somehow gets Kirk down to the planet and abandons him there? I have this scene in my head where Kirk, sweaty and the sun beating down, surrounded by desolation (desert and rocks) screams “Kaaaaaahhhhnnnnn!” with both arms upraised. I also have an image of Kahn climbing dazedly out of a pod like vehicle on a planet, defeated. Did my mind make this up or am I just crazy? ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/559 "2009-05-17T18:22:27Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > May I ask a stupid question? > > I just watched TWOK last night. It is not the movie I remembered. Is there another Star Trek film that features Khan on a planet where he somehow gets Kirk down to the planet and abandons him there? I have this scene in my head where Kirk, sweaty and the sun beating down, surrounded by desolation (desert and rocks) screams “Kaaaaaahhhhnnnnn!” with both arms upraised. I also have an image of Kahn climbing dazedly out of a pod like vehicle on a planet, defeated. > Did my mind make this up or am I just crazy? Yes. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/560 "2009-05-17T18:43:56Z")
I don’t remember those scenes from any movie, but I swear I’ve seen Rhett Butler jump over the fence when Bonnie falls off the pony. 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640.md?page=27) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640.md?page=29)