# Star Trek -- the "I saw it" thread \*\*SPOILERS\*\* **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 7, 2009, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640 "2009-05-07T08:13:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/561 "2009-05-17T20:10:03Z")
God. The scary thing is that the scenes are so clear in my head. Are we sure Khan didn’t come back in yet another movie? Guess not. Was there a TOS episode with Khan? (I don’t remember the series that well). Maybe it’s from there and all mixed up with other over-emoting from Kirk etc? Maybe I’ll go lay down now with a cold cloth on my head. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/562 "2009-05-17T20:33:04Z")
A youtube abbreviated [Khan](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t2t0d7e1Uo) montage. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/563 "2009-05-17T20:45:48Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > Was there a TOS episode with Khan? Space Seed. It provided the background for The Wrath of Kahn. You’re not a Trek person, are you? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/564 "2009-05-17T20:51:36Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Space Seed. It provided the background for The Wrath of Kahn. > You’re not a Trek person, are you? 🙂 It doesn’t matter. She’s not a Tolkien person either, but we love her on account of her being **eleanorigby**. No other choice is logically possible. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/565 "2009-05-17T21:22:48Z")
Okay, I just saw it, but I haven’t plowed through 12 pages of this thread yet. However, I did search, and this didn’t come up. Both my kids and I think Wil Wheaton had a cameo…very quick, just enough to say…“Was that who I think it was?” For me, I liked the movie, but I didn’t like the premise. Now, I’ll go read the thread. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/566 "2009-05-17T21:28:46Z")
Did anyone catch the reference to “Admiral Archer’s prized beagle?” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/567 "2009-05-17T21:52:32Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > but we love her on account of her being **eleanorigby**. No other choice is logically possible. Well, with a reference like that…🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/568 "2009-05-17T21:55:09Z")
> [@ivylass](#): > > Did anyone catch the reference to “Admiral Archer’s prized beagle?” 😃 D’Artagnan, obviously. It’s pretty clear that only ENTERPRISE is in continuity at this point; that also explains the assholery of the Vulcans. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/569 "2009-05-17T21:58:38Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > It’s pretty clear that only ENTERPRISE is in continuity at this point; That’s damn scary. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/570 "2009-05-17T22:00:10Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > D’Artagnan, obviously. It’s pretty clear that only ENTERPRISE is in continuity at this point; that also explains the assholery of the Vulcans. But Enterprise is before Star Trek 90210, and the Vulcan homeworld wasn’t destroyed until Kirk et al are close to graduation.. Time travel makes my head hurt. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/571 "2009-05-17T22:00:22Z")
Vulcans have always been bigoted assholes with superiority complexes. \*Enterprise \*just made it more blatant. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/572 "2009-05-17T22:08:25Z")
> [@ivylass](#): > > But Enterprise is before Star Trek 90210, and the Vulcan homeworld wasn’t destroyed until Kirk et al are close to graduation.. > > Time travel makes my head hurt. It’s Michelle & Barry’s fault, dearest. Don’t blame yourself. I was kidding about Enterprise being in continuity, though it could well be. AS much as I can’t stand this movie – and I hate it as much as I love Kristen Chenoweth – I’d be okay with them saying, “Yeah, this is all a different reality from all the previous movies and the various series.” ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/573 "2009-05-17T22:35:53Z")
My husband and kids loved it, but after it was over I was sitting there, perplexed. I knew the main characters couldn’t die, so I was waiting for Spock’s mother to be rescued. When she wasn’t (and Chekov showed up so soon!) I felt…betrayed. Look, for better or worse, Roddenberry created a universe. B&B carried on the tradition, even if they slipped up with\* Enterprise\*. So, while I liked the action, enjoyed seeing the characters again, and got a good giggle out of the in-jokes and references, I felt like Tevye in _Fiddler on the Roof_ when Chava married Bietke…there is no other hand. This was an action-packed popcorn prequel of Trek, but the thought there will be no _Amok Time_ or _Journey to Babel_ makes me pouty. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/574 "2009-05-17T22:41:16Z")
They can still happen, just not the way you remember them, which would be kind of boring and pointless, anyway. Spock’s going to have Pon Farr and now has a \*\*\*duty \*\*\*to take a wife, and Coridian or whatever the name of the planet is in \*Journey to Babel \*will likely still have dilithium or want to be a part of the Federation or whatever it was they were doing. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/575 "2009-05-17T22:47:08Z")
But that’s not what happened, according to the established history. I guess for me it’s a question of continuity. I’ll swallow any bizarre theory/idea/technobabble you like, but don’t try to change what you do this week from what you established last week. (I feel like Annie Wilkes in _Misery_…you can’t bring her back with a blood transfusion! The doctor didn’t get there in time! Hence Paul had to dig Misery out of a grave. Plausible? Hardly. But it fit with the established storyline.) I’m glad you enjoyed it, but I don’t think I can bend that far, and toss out what for me was 30-odd years of mythology. ---
**Author:** ![tarragon918](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d26b3c/32.png) [@tarragon918](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tarragon918)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/576 "2009-05-17T22:48:02Z")
I finally got a chance to see the movie! Now I’ve been a ST fan since the beginning so yes, I’m over 50. Until today, though, I did not realize how much theme and especially canon meant to me. Yes, I realize it’s all fiction in the end but it’s a fiction that I’ve been very closely associated with for a very long time. That said, I loved the characters and the actors who played them; they were pretty nearly perfect. And the movie was action packed and boy did I enjoy some of the tie-ins and the inside jokes. But … but … damn it, Jim, did they have to blast ST canon to Hell and back?! Vulcans are one of my personal favorites too – Romulans as well, though not as much as Vulcans. Okay, I’m a Bajoran lover too … I surely hope they won’t move in on them with the next movie! LOL So I liked it and enjoyed the movie except for the wreckage of canon Star Trek. And it’s good to know that others feel similar to me. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/577 "2009-05-17T22:52:26Z")
Couldn’t they have just said the hell with it and done a sequel to Deep Space 9? Brought Sisko back so he could meet his child with Cassidy? ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/578 "2009-05-17T23:00:07Z")
> [@ivylass](#): > > Couldn’t they have just said the hell with it and done a sequel to Deep Space 9? Brought Sisko back so he could meet his child with Cassidy? I think that would have been a really bad idea. Partly because DS9 is far less popular than TOS or even TNG; but mostly ebcause it’s pretty much a self-contained story. I loved it more than I loved any other Trek series, but I’m glad to leave it be. And I’m even more glad to have JJ Abrams keeping his hands off it. I shudder to think of what he’d do to Jadzia Dax & Kira Nerys. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/579 "2009-05-17T23:02:39Z")
Considering Jadzia died, I doubt there’s much he could do with her. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/580 "2009-05-17T23:05:13Z")
> [@ivylass](#): > > I’m glad you enjoyed it, but I don’t think I can bend that far, and toss out what for me was 30-odd years of mythology. I’m not trying to convince you to like it; I’m just saying that many of the events of the original series are still going to happen, especially any centered on biology or events on the galactic or interplanetary level – like the arrival of the big space amoeba, the Doomsday Machine, planets’ admission into the Federation, etc – and the Enterprise can even be there for some of them, but this universe is completely divorced from the other (which it in no way invalidates) because of Nero’s meddling, and nothing is ever going to be exactly the same. > [@ivylass](#): > > Couldn’t they have just said the hell with it and done a sequel to Deep Space 9? Brought Sisko back so he could meet his child with Cassidy? You and I are probably the two biggest Niners on this board, and as much as I’d like to see it, this is never going to happen for the reasons \*\*Skald \*\*gave. DS9 was as great as it was because Berman and Braga and their fans ignored it, giving Piller, Moore, and Behr pretty much free reign. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640.md?page=28) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640.md?page=30)