# Star Trek -- the "I saw it" thread \*\*SPOILERS\*\* **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 7, 2009, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640 "2009-05-07T08:13:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/601 "2009-05-18T15:49:25Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > Worse that _that_, even – in the position of one of his crew (who are basically working-class stiffs, after all), I’d be thinking of how to sell some of the future tech and go live like a king on the proceeds. Hell, give the future tech to the _Romulans_ in exchange for a generous pension and you can get filthy rich, save your home planet, be declared a hero, and set up the inevitable destruction of those puny earthlings all at once. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/602 "2009-05-18T15:51:48Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > Worse that _that_, even – in the position of one of his crew (who are basically working-class stiffs, after all), I’d be thinking of how to sell some of the future tech and go live like a king on the proceeds. All it takes is a few members of his crew to be as angry as Nero for him to cement his power. Also he could have set the ship to monitor his biometrics and shut down or blow up if he died. But since he didn’t have a general mutiny, he must not have had a general mutiny. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/603 "2009-05-18T16:06:22Z")
> [@Grumman](#): > > Hell, give the future tech to the _Romulans_ in exchange for a generous pension and you can get filthy rich, save your home planet, be declared a hero, and set up the inevitable destruction of those puny earthlings all at once. For all we know that was the plan after they had their revenge and destroyed the Federation. I mentioned it up thread, but remember, when Nero was told by Pike that he was confused and Romulus was still there, Nero screamed something like, “Don’t tell me it didn’t happen, I saw it happen.” From his point of view they are the only ones left to exact revenge. He knows there is a Romulus out there, but they aren’t \*his \*Romulus. And by going back he insures that none of them will ever be born. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/604 "2009-05-18T16:06:35Z")
I liked it very much, despite the, ahem, liberties it took with ST canon, and despite the many flaws accurately pointed out by **Half Man** and others. Cast, dialogue, plot all rocked, IMHO. Lots of neat little shout-outs to ST fans (Sulu’s fencing, Chekov’s accent, Archer’s dog, Kirk in Iowa, Kirk’s horndog ways, Delta Vega, the redshirt dies first, “I’m a doctor, not a physicist,” Uhura’s little ear-transceiver-thingie, etc.). Now I wanna see it again! Nitpicks: Would the _Kelvin_ really be big enough to have 37 medical shuttles? Would evacuating crewmembers really rappell? I still don’t like the _Enterprise_ design - they took a beautiful ship from ST:TMP and gave it too-bulbous nacelles and a weirdly-tapered secondary hull. Belowdecks the _Enterprise_ looked like a brewery or oil refinery - far too low-tech. The rubber screening in Pike’s shuttle looked like it was either a cold-storage room or a construction site. Would Nero really not notice the three crewmembers not eject from Pike’s shuttle, heading towards the drill, and zap them? And c’mon, Kirk took command 'waaaaaaaaaaay too early, even for such an insanely talented hotshot. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/605 "2009-05-18T16:23:27Z")
Anti-pick – I do not think they had 37 Medical Shuttles, just that their Medical Shuttle was shuttle was number 37. I fully agree with about waste-water treatment plant in Engineering. Looked too large and too primitive. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/606 "2009-05-18T16:27:43Z")
Maybe that was actually the Enterprise’s waste-water treatment plant? ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/607 "2009-05-18T16:44:30Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Nitpicks: Would the _Kelvin_ really be big enough to have 37 medical shuttles? Would evacuating crewmembers really rappell? I still don’t like the _Enterprise_ design - they took a beautiful ship from ST:TMP and gave it too-bulbous nacelles and a weirdly-tapered secondary hull. Belowdecks the _Enterprise_ looked like a brewery or oil refinery - far too low-tech. The rubber screening in Pike’s shuttle looked like it was either a cold-storage room or a construction site. Would Nero really not notice the three crewmembers not eject from Pike’s shuttle, heading towards the drill, and zap them? And c’mon, Kirk took command 'waaaaaaaaaaay too early, even for such an insanely talented hotshot. Below decks reminded me of the movie I saw on MST3K called, IIRC, Space Mutiny. Seemed like a hell of a lot of wasted space, especially on the smaller starships of the period. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/608 "2009-05-18T16:47:19Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Nitpicks: Would the _Kelvin_ really be big enough to have 37 medical shuttles? Would evacuating crewmembers really rappell? I still don’t like the _Enterprise_ design - they took a beautiful ship from ST:TMP and gave it too-bulbous nacelles and a weirdly-tapered secondary hull. Belowdecks the _Enterprise_ looked like a brewery or oil refinery - far too low-tech. The rubber screening in Pike’s shuttle looked like it was either a cold-storage room or a construction site. Would Nero really not notice the three crewmembers not eject from Pike’s shuttle, heading towards the drill, and zap them? And c’mon, Kirk took command 'waaaaaaaaaaay too early, even for such an insanely talented hotshot. Pike said Kirk’s father was captain for 12 minutes and saved 800 people, which seemed a bit high, since the Enterprise, one of the biggest ships, carried about 400. I don’t know if there were 37 shuttles, but there were a lot, far more than the Enterprise carried. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/609 "2009-05-18T17:25:53Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > I don’t know if there were 37 shuttles, but there were a lot, far more than the Enterprise carried. I believe I counted seven. Did anyone else count them? ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/610 "2009-05-18T17:29:44Z")
The ships in this universe are bigger. From Memory Alpha: \*Despite various structural similarities to the original movie Enterprise, multiple sources close to production provide much greater figures: \* [ul] [li]\*A very precise length of 2379.75 feet (725.35 meters) is stated in a _[Gizmodo blog entry](http://gizmodo.com/5253324/how-big-is-the-new-enterprise-compared-to-galactica)_. A note of thanks is given to “David B. from Bad Robot Productions”. \*[/li][/ul] [ul] [li]\*ILM model supervisor Bruce Holcomb states that the Enterprise is “2000 feet [600 meters]” long in an _[interview for Studio Daily](http://www.studiodaily.com/filmandvideo/currentissue/Reinventing-Star-Treks-VFX_10905.html)_. \*[/li][/ul] [ul] [li]\*The Post Magazine article _[‘Star Trek’ Returns](http://www.postmagazine.com/ME2/dirmod.asp?sid=&nm=&type=Publishing&mod=Publications::Article&mid=8F3A7027421841978F18BE895F87F791&tier=4&id=C0928902C93D4F8682FB2117F7DD841F)_ gives an overall length of “3,000 feet [900 meters]”. \*[/li][/ul] [ul] [li]\*The following specifications can be found during the _[Enterprise Tour](http://www.experience-the-enterprise.com/ww/)_: \*[/li][LIST] [li]\*Length: 2500 feet [760 meters]. \*[/li][li]\*Saucer Diameter: 1100 feet [340 meters]. \*[/li][li]\*Ship Height: 625 feet [190 meters]. \*[/li][/ul] [/LIST]\*Whether due to Nero’s incursion or not, this USS Enterprise has notable differences from its _[Prime universe equivalent](http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/USS_Enterprise_(NCC-1701))_, including its outward appearance, its size (being larger than a prime-universe _[Sovereign-class](http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Sovereign_class)_ starship), and also its crew size (the Prime Enterprise had a crew of 430 as opposed to this ship’s 1100). In addition, the Prime Enterprise was launched in _[2245](http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/2245)_ while this one was launched considerably later, still being under construction in the 2250s. \*[Enterprise history | Memory Alpha | Fandom](http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/USS_Enterprise_(alternate_reality)) ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/611 "2009-05-18T17:32:22Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > Pike said Kirk’s father was captain for 12 minutes and saved 800 people, which seemed a bit high, since the Enterprise, one of the biggest ships, carried about 400. > I don’t know if there were 37 shuttles, but there were a lot, far more than the Enterprise carried. I was just thinking, they might have a mandatory number of shuttles necessary to offload the whole crew. Maybe some of them are one time use escape shuttles or whatnot. Also, the reason for the huge crew could be that 35 years before TOS automation wasn’t up to the challenge. ---
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/612 "2009-05-18T17:36:48Z")
> [@TurkishCoffeeGuy](#): > > I had never considered “And the horse you rode in on!” to be the logical phrase following “Live long and prosper.” Your voice says ‘live long and prosper’, Spock, but your face says ‘bite me, c&\*%sucker, I’m signing up with the Terrans’ > [@Mollie\_Magill](#): > > I figured, he was crouching, so he could start running as soon as he finished materializing. > > That - it looked cool. Both solid hypotheses ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/613 "2009-05-18T17:45:37Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > All it takes is a few members of his crew to be as angry as Nero for him to cement his power. > > Also he could have set the ship to monitor his biometrics and shut down or blow up if he died. > > But since he didn’t have a general mutiny, he must not have had a general mutiny. 😃 Well, Nero’s ship didn’t seem like it was crawling with crew members, so I wouldn’t be surprised if over the years there was a bit of attrition due to differences of opinion about their mission. Plus, they actually filmed scenes of Nero in a Klingon prison, so who knows, he may have been betrayed by one of his own. ---
**Author:** ![Pushkin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ee59a6/32.png) [@Pushkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pushkin)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/614 "2009-05-18T18:02:52Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > I spent this weekend watching ST1-6, except for 5, which was already checked out So psyched were people from watching the new film that they felt the need for The Final Frontier? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/615 "2009-05-18T18:06:09Z")
I dunno. But I turned in films 3 and 6 to the library and they immediately were placed to the side for transport to another library via interlibrary loan. Most of the first movies (with the TOS cast) are out from Family Video as well. I’ll get around to watching ST5 sometime, but I did check out a few of the TOS episodes from the library. If anything, it’ll be fun to go back for a nostalgia trip. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/616 "2009-05-18T18:25:08Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > I dunno. But I turned in films 3 and 6 to the library and they immediately were placed to the side for transport to another library via interlibrary loan. Most of the first movies (with the TOS cast) are out from Family Video as well. I’ll get around to watching ST5 sometime, but I did check out a few of the TOS episodes from the library. > If anything, it’ll be fun to go back for a nostalgia trip. Yeah - Mrs. Magill and I went out this weekend and got the Blu-rays of the first six. Ah - I’d gotten my “KAAAAAAAHHHHHHHNNNNNN!!!” fix. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/617 "2009-05-18T18:28:15Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > One thing I just thought of - and my apologies if this has been covered in the 8 pages of this thread I haven’t read. > > Why is Spock so bent out of shape about Kirk cheating? His reason was that Kirk didn’t get the benefit of facing fear, but this is the third time he did the simulation. I assume the first time he felt fear, the second time he was studying it to figure out how to hack it, and the third time we saw. Perhaps it was an emotional reaction on Spock’s part? Pretty much everything Spock does in this movie is an emotional reaction to something. And it works. My favourite is his caving and putting Uhura on the Enterprise. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/618 "2009-05-18T18:28:20Z")
I think that like you and me, a lot of people are going to be watching the old Star Trek movies and/or the series. Enjoy (and I’m jealous that you could buy them–there’s no money in the budget for that for me). 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/619 "2009-05-18T18:31:33Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > Pike said Kirk’s father was captain for 12 minutes and saved 800 people, which seemed a bit high, since the Enterprise, one of the biggest ships, carried about 400. > I don’t know if there were 37 shuttles, but there were a lot, far more than the Enterprise carried. The ships are bigger, but they number the same crew. There was a scene left on the cuttingroom floor explaining how this version of Kirk, etc. are 50 feet tall. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/620 "2009-05-18T18:38:53Z")
Kirk didn’t look fifty feet tall to me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640.md?page=30) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640.md?page=32)