# Star Trek -- the "I saw it" thread \*\*SPOILERS\*\* **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 7, 2009, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640 "2009-05-07T08:13:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/641 "2009-05-18T22:00:42Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > You have no sense of humour. See post 627. > [@](#): > > As for the character dynamic, it isn’t ruined. TOS still exists. I’m fine that this has more to it than new people playing old characters. I have no objection to the reboot, actually. Going into the past on the same timeline didn’t work. Too much demand for the same old races discovered in TOS time. Going one or two generations past TNG won’t work either, since the technology would be too good. We’ve had many threads about series set elsewhere in the Star Trek universe, most of the better ones involving the Federation falling apart. I’ve already read the Flandry series. There was more exploration, more of a frontier during the TOS time, so going back there works for me. But they need to do new stories while keeping the archetypes that made the original 3 so classic. Kirk, Spock, and McCoy will be remembered 50 years from now. Picard, the beard and the boobs, not so much. Not to mention that TOS didn’t use the “route the waste disposal pipe through the sensor array” solution nearly as much as the later shows. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/642 "2009-05-18T22:08:08Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > It would be illogical not to! > > Vulcans can have casual sex. At least that’s suggested by Sarek taking two human wives. Pon Farr is forced sex, I don’t think it has been suggested that they can’t have sex at other times. Pon Farr on Vulcan also involves a marriage ritual, which I assume Savik skipped. At the end of Amok Time Spock’s wife winds up with the other guy, who is not going through Pon Farr at the moment. I doubt if most Pon Farr’s are nearly as dramatic as Spock’s. As for sex at other times, Sarek might consent to it for Amanda’s human needs. It’s certainly possible that Vulcans can cast off their suppression of emotion in private. But in a turbolift? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/643 "2009-05-18T22:15:56Z")
[QUOTE=Voyager;11154102Kirk, Spock, and McCoy will be remembered 50 years from now. Picard, the beard and the boobs, not so much. [/Quote] I agree. I think people will have their favourite Kirk like they have their favourite Holmes, as I’ve said. > [@](#): > > Not to mention that TOS didn’t use the “route the waste disposal pipe through the sensor array” solution nearly as much as the later shows. Nope, it was drop kicks that saved the day. Kirk-fu was where it’s at. ---
**Author:** ![Raguleader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/258eb7/32.png) [@Raguleader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raguleader)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/644 "2009-05-18T22:28:16Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > As for sex at other times, Sarek might consent to it for Amanda’s human needs. It’s certainly possible that Vulcans can cast off their suppression of emotion in private. But in a turbolift? I like the “logical” approach to sex. “To tap that booty is only logical, not to mention my sworn duty as a Starfleet officer.” ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/645 "2009-05-18T22:36:06Z")
It struck me after leaving the theatre that when Nero asked Captain Pike for the security codes, I should have called [out](http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=31975)… 😃 (For an English audience, anyway.) ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/646 "2009-05-18T23:12:17Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > Nope, it was drop kicks that saved the day. That, and cross-circuiting to B. ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/647 "2009-05-19T00:01:22Z")
> [@Pushkin](#): > > So psyched were people from watching the new film that they felt the need for The Final Frontier? 😕 Maybe it’s the other way 'round – I’m pretty sure I would’ve enjoyed the new one more if I’d watched V beforehand. But then, a lobotomy might have the same effect and possibly be less severe, brain damage wise. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/648 "2009-05-19T00:29:09Z")
Even its harshest critic will concede, I trust, that the new movie is better than _The Final Frontier_. Faint praise, indeed. ---
**Author:** ![Clark\_K](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c77e96/32.png) [@Clark\_K](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clark_K)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/649 "2009-05-19T01:09:27Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > For what it is worth, [here](http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/05/enterprise-vs-bsg3.jpg) is a scaled comparison of the Enterprises, as well as Battlestar Galactica and the ISS. The new Enterprise is bigger than Galactica! That’s crazy. (I don’t know why, but it is. I’m OK with all kinds of changes and new looks in this movie but somehow making the ship that big throws me off.) ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/650 "2009-05-19T01:10:42Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > I AM a Trek person–I even went to an early Trekkie convention here in Chicago when I was 13. That was 34 years ago. I haven’t watched it much since… Hold the phone. Chicago? 1975? Conrad Hilton? Holy Simoleans, _I_ was at that convention. And was 12 or 13. It was just like watching Galaxy Quest, although I wasn’t aware of that at the time. High-five, Eleanor! ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/651 "2009-05-19T01:14:20Z")
> [@Clark\_K](#): > > The new Enterprise is bigger than Galactica! Galactica? There is no Galactica. There was no TV show with a horrible ending. All a viscious urban legend. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/57b2e6/32.png) [@Quasimodal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodal)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/652 "2009-05-19T01:24:52Z")
I never watched all of enterprise, but does it’s continuity still exist? I remember they had some temporal cold war arc going on where someone from the 29th century was messing things up way back in the 22nd century. If Nero went back in time from the 25th century…doesn’t that mean his new timeline affects the 29th century, which would in turn affect the 22nd century for this movie’s 23rd century? I am one confused nerd. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/653 "2009-05-19T01:43:40Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Galactica? There is no Galactica. There was no TV show with a horrible ending. All a viscious urban legend. Sure there was. Then they made a far better version with a terrific ending. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/654 "2009-05-19T01:54:44Z")
Worst bit for me - Scotty in the liquid waste tube. Yes, I know it wasn’t waste, but I can’t remember what it was supposed to be. Sure it was cute having him transported into something, without having an obvious way out. I appreciate the little joke. But that stupid person-sized tube, that wended its way hither and yon for to noticable reason should have just been labeled PLOT DEVICE TUBE. It was just a coincidence that it was a clear tube, right? That wasn’t designed so that we can see passing engineers or anything. And then that trap door just before the cuisinart? The person-sized one that somehow didn’t flood the chamber when it was opened? Gah! ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/655 "2009-05-19T02:09:35Z")
> [@Yllaria](#): > > And then that trap door just before the cuisinart? The person-sized one that somehow didn’t flood the chamber when it was opened? Gah! That had “this is for the video game” written all over it. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/656 "2009-05-19T02:25:25Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Sure there was. Then they made a far better version with a terrific ending. 😃 I’M NOT LISTENING, I’M NOT LISTENING! I spent five years of my life finding out where Lucy came from, already? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/657 "2009-05-19T03:48:12Z")
You know, I _really_ liked this movie. And all the “meeew, Trek 90210” whining makes me want to go back to my high school years and bully every damn nerd I can find.\* But… Is it just me, or did Amanda get the Women-in-Refrigerator treatment in this movie? I mean, basically, the writers had the over-the-top villain set up her agonizing death _right in front of the hero_, just to twist the angst knife in the character’s guts. Yeah, it’s obvious why they made the choice. Had to show the destruction of Vulcan had a meaningful impact, so it was either Amanda or Sarek… and Sarek is _by far_ the more interesting character. But, still, seems a lot like she got tossed into the fridge, while Major Force – er, _Nero_ – chortled offstage. - yes. _obviously_ I realized the implication of posting in this thread. hush. ---
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/658 "2009-05-19T04:47:53Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > I mean, basically, the writers had the over-the-top villain set up her agonizing death _right in front of the hero_, just to twist the angst knife in the character’s guts. > > Yeah, it’s obvious why they made the choice. Had to show the destruction of Vulcan had a meaningful impact, so it was either Amanda or Sarek… I was fully prepared for a Sulu/Chekov death, just to establish that yeah, not the old show, anything can happen to the bridgies. ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/659 "2009-05-19T05:26:44Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > For what it is worth, [here](http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/05/enterprise-vs-bsg3.jpg) is a scaled comparison of the Enterprises, as well as Battlestar Galactica and the ISS. [Here](http://www.merzo.net/) is a better one. Just look at the 10 metres :1 pixel page compare the Federation ships to the capital ships belonging to the competition. ---
**Author:** ![lee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lee/32/7455_2.png) [@lee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lee)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/660 "2009-05-19T11:29:56Z")
[QUOTE=Elendil’s Heir;11152625\ Nitpicks: Would the _Kelvin_ really be big enough to have 37 medical shuttles? \[/QUOTE] In a bank I worked for, when using a number as part of a designation, we skipped numbers that lead to ambiguity, so there was no branch 10 since that was kind of like branch 01. So, just because there is a shuttle or branch 37 doesn’t mean there are branches or shuttles 1-36. Also, sometime they are number and designated both, so you could have exploratory shuttle 36 and medical shuttle 37. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640.md?page=32) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640.md?page=34)