# Star Trek -- the "I saw it" thread \*\*SPOILERS\*\* **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 7, 2009, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640 "2009-05-07T08:13:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 38
**Author:** ![Unintentionally\_Blank](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unintentionally_blank/32/5418_2.png) [@Unintentionally\_Blank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unintentionally_Blank)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2009, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/741 "2009-05-20T16:41:09Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > A underground movement was afoot to reunite Gondwanaland. This is one of those tangents that doesn’t quite merit a seperate thread, but is till good. My vote? They’re off mediating a war. (chronicled here: [Amazon.com: The Lemonade War (The Lemonade War Series, 1): 9780618750436: Davies, Jacqueline: Books](http://www.amazon.com/Lemonade-War-Jacqueline-Davies/dp/0618750436) ) ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2009, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/742 "2009-05-20T16:44:38Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Never saw him in that. What is that, _Xena_? Yup. Mind you, pictures don’t even begin to convey the campiness that was Karl Urban as Cupid. Although the mental dissonance of seeing him as Eomer was _much_ worse. He was channeling DeForest Kelley too strongly in this movie for it to come through here. Still… Dr. McCoy in leather harness and skirt, wearing Victoria’s Secret wings. And a bad dye-job. > [@Aesiron](#): > > Okay. You just singlehandedly destroyed my burgeoning crush on Karl Urban. I’ll tell my employer that my time has been well-spent this morning, then. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Raguleader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/258eb7/32.png) [@Raguleader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raguleader)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2009, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/743 "2009-05-20T21:58:40Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Captain Ramius was trying to defect. _OW_. That hurt! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Pushkin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ee59a6/32.png) [@Pushkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pushkin)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/744 "2009-05-21T00:12:47Z")
> [@Bearflag70](#): > > Are you talking about [this clip](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMHAZwR-BdQ) where Riker destroys the Enterprise by sitting down? There was a whole episode devoted to a boy who thought he’d done just that to another ship. Anyone remember the name? ---
**Author:** ![wolfstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/d6d6ee/32.png) [@wolfstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfstu)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/745 "2009-05-21T00:44:31Z")
> [@Pushkin](#): > > There was a whole episode devoted to a boy who thought he’d done just that to another ship. Anyone remember the name? [Hero Worship (TNG)](http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Hero_Worship_(episode)) ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/746 "2009-05-21T00:48:54Z")
HA. I am home now and was able to view the link. Yes. That’s exactly what I was referring to. Awesome. ---
**Author:** ![Raguleader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/258eb7/32.png) [@Raguleader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raguleader)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/747 "2009-05-21T03:50:00Z")
Fanwank Drives on, Captain. I think perhaps the consoles require an actual skin contact to use maybe? I know the touchwheel on my iPod Nano is useless to me for volume control when I’m wearing gloves (stupid Apple overengineering a walkman). ---
**Author:** ![shy\_guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a6a055/32.png) [@shy\_guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shy_guy)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/748 "2009-05-21T03:57:32Z")
Just saw it. Loved it. Extremely sexy people blowing things up in space. Who could ask for anything more? Everything cool about Star Trek _without_ everything that made it more of a nerdy chore than anything. Bring on the sequels. ---
**Author:** ![Raguleader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/258eb7/32.png) [@Raguleader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raguleader)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/749 "2009-05-21T04:17:43Z")
> [@shy\_guy](#): > > Just saw it. > > Loved it. Extremely sexy people blowing things up in space. Who could ask for anything more? Everything cool about Star Trek _without_ everything that made it more of a nerdy chore than anything. > > Bring on the sequels. We need some slightly less goofy villains. Me, I’m rooting for Khan. Bonus points if, for a twist, he attempts to seduce Uhura, and it comes down to Khan-Spock grudgefight. Also, can the Romulans please get a break with starship design? Either they have to borrow ships from the Klingons, get stuck using a single 10+ year old design (a COOL design from TNG, but still), or they get these goofy ass spindly spider ships from hell (Nemesis, Star Trek: The First Generation) So who would play Khan nowadays? Do we recast with someone new, or see if Ricardo Montalban is still in shape? IF they recast, I think a buffed up Antonio Banderas could apply just the right amount of cheese to the role. ---
**Author:** ![shy\_guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a6a055/32.png) [@shy\_guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shy_guy)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/750 "2009-05-21T04:19:19Z")
Didn’t Ricardo Montalban, like, die recently? ---
**Author:** ![Raguleader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/258eb7/32.png) [@Raguleader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raguleader)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/751 "2009-05-21T04:33:13Z")
> [@shy\_guy](#): > > Didn’t Ricardo Montalban, like, die recently? So he did ☹ ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/752 "2009-05-21T04:50:23Z")
> [@Raguleader](#): > > I think a buffed up Antonio Banderas could apply just the right amount of cheese to the role. I think Antonio was born to be Khan. I’d bet Antonio can totally purr “Chrysler Cordoba, with Fine Corinthian Leather” almost as good as Ricardo. Make it so. ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/753 "2009-05-21T05:32:14Z")
> [@Raguleader](#): > > So who would play Khan nowadays? Do we recast with someone new, or see if Ricardo Montalban is still in shape? IF they recast, I think a buffed up Antonio Banderas could apply just the right amount of cheese to the role. Javier Bardem is rumored ---
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/754 "2009-05-21T05:41:09Z")
> [@drastic\_quench](#): > > Javier Bardem is rumored Jeeze, isn’t Khan suppose to be Sikh? Not that I don’t appreciate Mr. Bardem’s talents… but I’d rather they gave Khan a rest and find another baddie from the TOS archives. No Harry Mudd though. He was just annoying ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/755 "2009-05-21T07:17:35Z")
Whoa. You guys had me worried for a second. I thought there was an actual rumor that Kahn was going to be in the next film. That would just be so hokey. The next film needs to have a premise that will bring back the diehard trekkers that hated this film (like Spock’s death in TWOK). Having another complete continuity break would hardly do that. Of course, I’m sure having just having a robust plot would bring 'em back. ---
**Author:** ![Wheeljack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@Wheeljack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheeljack)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/756 "2009-05-21T12:05:22Z")
Yeah… I realized we’re loosening the grip on what makes sense to a considerable degree here, but having Khan show up in this new time line makes absofreakinlutely no sense at all. If the Eugenics Wars even happened, which I’m not too sure about given all the meddling that’s happened since First Contact, it would pretty much be a total coincedence for Kirk & Co. to stumble upon them drifting through space again. Poops to that. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/757 "2009-05-21T12:09:47Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Whoa. You guys had me worried for a second. I thought there was an actual rumor that Kahn was going to be in the next film. That would just be so hokey. The next film needs to have a premise that will bring back the diehard trekkers that hated this film (like Spock’s death in TWOK). Having another complete continuity break would hardly do that. > > Of course, I’m sure having just having a robust plot would bring 'em back. How would bringing back Khan be a continuity break? I would assume he and his followers are now sleeping on the Botany Bay, and not sitting around Ceti Alpha V, or blown to smithereens. Not that I’m disagreeing with you. I don’t think Khan needs to come back. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/758 "2009-05-21T13:31:04Z")
> [@Wheeljack](#): > > Yeah… I realized we’re loosening the grip on what makes sense to a considerable degree here, but having Khan show up in this new time line makes absofreakinlutely no sense at all. If the Eugenics Wars even happened, which I’m not too sure about given all the meddling that’s happened since First Contact, it would pretty much be a total coincedence for Kirk & Co. to stumble upon them drifting through space again. > > Poops to that. The Eugenics Wars took place in the 1990s, three hundred years from the divergence point, so Khan and crew should still be out there somewhere. That said, please, for the love of all that is holy, do not make this series of movies nothing more than bringing back Trek concepts. I wouldn’t mind a **SINGLE** movie based loosely on one of the less popular but still decent original series episodes (_The Corbomite Maneuver_, maybe? The Fesaurius would be awesome on the big screen and I’ve always liked Kirk bluffing his way out of getting blowed up), but do some new things, damn it. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/759 "2009-05-21T13:43:46Z")
> [@Wheeljack](#): > > Yeah… I realized we’re loosening the grip on what makes sense to a considerable degree here, but having Khan show up in this new time line makes absofreakinlutely no sense at all. If the Eugenics Wars even happened, which I’m not too sure about given all the meddling that’s happened since First Contact, it would pretty much be a total coincedence for Kirk & Co. to stumble upon them drifting through space again. > > Poops to that. No kiddin’. It makes no sense to revitalize the tired old franchise, only to immediately whip out one of the tired old ideas from days of yore. Anyway, the timeline must have deviated _significantly_ more than just starting from the Kelvin incident – because of Star Trek’s fetish with time travel stories. None of _those_ will have happened. No Edith Keeler. No Gary Seven. No Voyage Home. No First Contact. No Quark at Area 51. This even retroactively changes the continuity of “Enterprise” – with the altered timeline, it does not necessarily occur that Enterprise-D travels back in time to stop the Borg Queen in “First Contact”… so there is no ruined borg sphere in the Arctic to get revivied for Capt. Archer to have to chase. Happily, this retcon of all ST continuity _also_ means that the “Enterprise” finale falls out of the canon. w00t! ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/760 "2009-05-21T13:48:32Z")
No. This isn’t a reboot of Star Trek; it’s an alternate timeline, and has its own, independent continuity. It no more invalidates Voyager or Enterprise than Deep Space Nine’s Mirror Universe episodes invalidated The Next Generation or the original series. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640.md?page=37) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640.md?page=39)