# Star Trek -- the "I saw it" thread \*\*SPOILERS\*\* **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 7, 2009, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640 "2009-05-07T08:13:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 41
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/801 "2009-05-22T03:26:25Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > OR, the countdowns and such are provided to Sulu by the computer controlling the warp drive for the crew’s benefit while it runs the show. Sort of like the way dignitaries pull big levers turning on currently-running power plants or whatever for the benefit of the press. Oh, wouldn’t warping be excellent if instead of a lever they used giant scissors to cut a ribbon - every time? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/802 "2009-05-22T04:14:07Z")
> [@drastic\_quench](#): > > Oh, wouldn’t warping be excellent if instead of a lever they used giant scissors to cut a ribbon - every time? And endanger the yarn people of Nylar IV? I think not! ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/803 "2009-05-22T04:25:42Z")
I’ll tell ya one thing. I sooo want to pop over to the alternate timeline where they’re showing **Harold and Kumar get some Arcturan Poontang.** ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/804 "2009-05-22T04:45:24Z")
> [@outlierrn](#): > > I’ll tell ya one thing. I sooo want to pop over to the alternate timeline where they’re showing **Harold and Kumar get some Arcturan Poontang.** You stow that shit, mister! :mad: ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2009, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/805 "2009-05-23T08:28:05Z")
> [@Mollie\_Magill](#): > > How would bringing back Khan be a continuity break? I would assume he and his followers are now sleeping on the Botany Bay, and not sitting around Ceti Alpha V, or blown to smithereens. > > Not that I’m disagreeing with you. I don’t think Khan needs to come back. Actually, I’m not quite sure now why I thought it would be a continuity break. I think it had something to do with how long it took them to find the Botany Bay, and having them find it so soon after the new movie would be a mistake. But, from what I’ve just read, the ship was only 20 lightyears from Earth, so it could still be found pretty easily. (That’s only 60 days away at Warp 5.) ---
**Author:** ![cinehead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e79b87/32.png) [@cinehead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cinehead)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2009, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/806 "2009-05-23T19:56:35Z")
I just went to see it last night and while the film was rolling, I was enjoying myself. I thought the relationships between the characters was well done. But… I didn’t buy the Spock-Uhura thing, that kinda bugged me. I kinda hoped they would find a way to undetroy Vulcan. I didn’t like that Kirk was such a cocky little bastard. TOS set up some back story that would have made some interesting stories. I guess what I was really hoping for was to see how these characters we like, became the characters we like. I went in hoping for some Young Sherlock Holmes cleverness, but all fans of TOS got was a big “fuck you.” ---
**Author:** ![Pushkin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ee59a6/32.png) [@Pushkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pushkin)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2009, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/807 "2009-05-23T22:29:08Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > Spock’s explanation was intended for the audience, in general, but not specifically for that small fraction of the audience who would argue about continuity and alternate timelines I had a small snicker in my mind at that point, thinking how great that a pack of geeks like us could affect a director’s artistic vision like that 😃 ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2009, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/808 "2009-05-23T23:19:00Z")
We finally saw this last night. It was MilliCal’s first Star Trek Movie in the Theater, and she loved it. I’m not going to wade through the entire thread to see if I’m duplicatimng anyone’s comments, but I just had to say: 1.) “My name is James T. Kirk. You killed my father. Prrepare to Die.” 2.) Why the hell does a _mining ship_ carry multiple warhead fragmentation torpedos capable of destroying several top-class military vessels. Even granting that they’re from _the future_ (actually _the future’s future_), this is a bit like the _Nostromo_ taking out the _Sulaco_. (Do I get extra Geek Points for that?) 3.) Bonus points – Pepper Mill noted this. I said something about Kirk shacking up with green Orion women, but she pointed out that Kirk never actually did this. We’ve seen Christopher Pike with one, and Scott Bakula with three, but I can’t honestly recall Kirk with a green woman, now that I think about it. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2009, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/809 "2009-05-23T23:51:10Z")
MilliCal just showed me this: [http://thesims3.ea.com/view/pages/videos.jsp](http://thesims3.ea.com/view/pages/videos.jsp) ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2009, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/810 "2009-05-24T00:24:17Z")
Nero: Who is this? Identify yourself! Director: Starship NCC-1701; J.J. Abrams, Commanding. Who are you? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2009, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/811 "2009-05-24T00:25:25Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > 3.) Bonus points – Pepper Mill noted this. I said something about Kirk shacking up with green Orion women, but she pointed out that Kirk never actually did this. We’ve seen Christopher Pike with one, and Scott Bakula with three, but I can’t honestly recall Kirk with a green woman, now that I think about it. “Whom Gods Destroy.” For extra geek-points, the green woman was played by Yvonne “Batgirl” Craig. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2009, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/812 "2009-05-24T00:30:15Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > MilliCal just showed me this: > > [http://thesims3.ea.com/view/pages/videos.jsp](http://thesims3.ea.com/view/pages/videos.jsp) That was a Sim about Susan Boyle, the Scottish singer. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2009, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/813 "2009-05-24T01:00:06Z")
> [@](#): > > That was a Sim about Susan Boyle, the Scottish singer. On the same page is a Sim Film of Star Trek, based on the movie ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2009, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/814 "2009-05-24T01:06:07Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > On the same page is a Sim Film of Star Trek, based on the movie Ah, I see it now, scrolling across the middle with the others. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2009, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/815 "2009-05-24T01:55:04Z")
The missus and I hiked out to see it last night. Now, I was a teenager when TOS was first aired, and I’ve been through all the subsequent incarnations. So I come at this with the viewpoint of someone who grew up on Star Trek. I thought it was fun. Sure there were a couple of points in the movie that pegged my WTF meter, but then I thought “well, let’s see where this is going.” The only thing that took me out of the movie so far that I couldn’t get back into it was a pre-teen Anakin Skywalker racing his pod – excuse me – a pre-teen James Kirk racing a Corvette that was, by my estimate, something like 275 years old, across the back roads of Iowa before having it plunge over a cliff. Excuse me, but I’ve been all through Iowa, and there ain’t no cliffs. Maybe a quarry here or there, but they’re more like 20 feet deep. But once we got through that (and the product placements for Nokia and Budweiser) I was pretty much able to sit back and enjoy the ride. And while I haven’t read every one of the last 20 pages, I noticed early on that some were criticising an Enterprise full of rookie cadets. Wasn’t that also a subplot in The Wrath of Kahn? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2009, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/816 "2009-05-24T01:59:10Z")
> [@kunilou](#): > > And while I haven’t read every one of the last 20 pages, I noticed early on that some were criticising an Enterprise full of rookie cadets. Wasn’t that also a subplot in The Wrath of Kahn? Yes, but there were experienced officers on hand in each of the major departments, the mission didn’t seem all that urgent at first, and no cadet was ridiculously promoted after the crisis had passed. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2009, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/817 "2009-05-24T02:15:47Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > Nero: Who is this? Identify yourself! > > Director: Starship NCC-1701; J.J. Abrams, Commanding. Who are you? [Forbidden Planet](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0049223/) would have been my choice for a Trek movie. It is, after all the standard TOS plot. Not to mention classy lines like, “Formidable sidearm” and Anne Francis’, “What’s a bathing suit?” ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2009, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/818 "2009-05-24T02:31:44Z")
> [@](#): > > Forbidden Planet would have been my choice for a Trek movie. It is, after all the standard TOS plot. > Not to mention classy lines like, “Formidable sidearm” and Anne Francis’, “What’s a bathing suit?” Well, heck, Roddenbery ransacked FP for Star Trek – the triumvirate of Captain, First Officer, and Ship’s Doctor, the Communicators and Sidearms, the Saucer-shaped FTL ship with the alphanumeric title instead of a name. And he scarfed the look of the Transporters from the Stasis beams. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2009, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/819 "2009-05-24T02:48:37Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > Well, heck, Roddenbery ransacked FP for Star Trek – the triumvirate of Captain, First Officer, and Ship’s Doctor, the Communicators and Sidearms, the Saucer-shaped FTL ship with the alphanumeric title instead of a name. And he scarfed the look of the Transporters from the Stasis beams. Indeed, as [quote=“CalMeacham, post:109, topic:495832”] admitted when the local PBS station interviewed him by phone when showing TFP about a hundred years ago. It would be the perfect TOS pilot. The First Officer buys the farm, and Spock would retain SO as well as becoming FO. Do these movie people listen to me? No, they do not. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![emarkp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3be4f8/32.png) [@emarkp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emarkp)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2009, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/820 "2009-05-24T05:32:43Z")
> [@kunilou](#): > > Excuse me, but I’ve been all through Iowa, and there ain’t no cliffs. Maybe a quarry here or there, but they’re more like 20 feet deep. It was definitely a quarry – the rock was worked. Oh, and _in the future, quarries will be deeper!_ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640.md?page=40) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640.md?page=42)