# Star Trek -- the "I saw it" thread \*\*SPOILERS\*\* **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 7, 2009, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640 "2009-05-07T08:13:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 47
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/921 "2009-06-01T20:26:45Z")
> [@TWDuke](#): > > I was really hoping the green girl would turn out to be an Earth sorority girl dressed up for some kind of role-playing. She looked terrible, and it was just too pandering. Pandering in Star Trek? Please supply seven to nine more examples. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/922 "2009-06-01T20:29:56Z")
> [@Corner\_Case](#): > > I’ll be nipping off to the kitchen now to kill myself. But don’t worry, I’ll be very humane. > > Moo Remember to season yourself properly first, please, and set the alarm on the oven timer so I know when to come get my Corner-case-steak. ---
**Author:** ![TWDuke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@TWDuke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TWDuke)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/923 "2009-06-01T20:52:20Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Pandering in Star Trek? Please supply seven to nine more examples. Yes, but there’s good pandering and bad pandering. Or to continue my adjectival usage, there’s too pandering and sufficiently pandering. Sufficiently pandering: OK, the Talosians and Vina need to try harder to tempt to Pike What if she were to take on the form of an exotic dancing girl! Too pandering: Let’s throw in a gratuitous boffing with a green chick, because everyone knows Kirk boffs green chicks. (But nearly the entire movie takes place on Earth or Federation star ships.) Who cares! The geeks will go nuts! (OK, and we can actually do a better job with the makeup than they did on the original series.) Nah, who cares about that? Just slap on some green paint and a Ronald McDonald wig. One green girl advances the plot and reveals character while appealing to our baser instincts, one does not. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/924 "2009-06-01T20:59:00Z")
Panda? Hoshi? ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/925 "2009-06-01T21:21:15Z")
> [@TWDuke](#): > > (Although it seems like a number of recent posts have been something like "I’m not going to bother reading the thread or doing a search, so somebody just answer this question that’s been addressed a dozen times already, OK?) Indeed. And that’s why this thread has so many more posts than LotR threads. If this were a LotR thread, those posters would have started a _completely new_ thread to ask their question that’s been addressed a dozen times already in the thread they didn’t bother to read. And that’s why there are so many more LotR threads than ST threads. Probably. I’m actually too lazy to check. > [@TWDuke](#): > > I appreciate some good comic relief, but by the time this film was over I wanted relief from the comic relief. I think it was Scotty that pushed me over the edge. I don’t get the hate for his little sidekick though. He didn’t get enough screen time to annoy me, and he was quiet. I don’t see how anybody could compare him to Jar Jar. I explained it thusly this weekend to someone who hadn’t seen the film yet, but was under the impression that _everyone_ loved whatshisname’s take on Scotty, and how could anyone (i.e., me) take issue with it: Every time Scotty showed up on screen, I was vaguely waiting for the soundtrack to start up with wacky sax. … I’m not entirely sure it _didn’t_ do so during the Augustus Gloop tubes scene, actually. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/926 "2009-06-02T01:32:01Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > Panda? Hoshi? Take that back! This instant, or I’ll tell Thor about you peeking at Sif in the bath! Hoshi was not _pandering_. She is a princess, and one day soon she will be mine. ---
**Author:** ![Pushkin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ee59a6/32.png) [@Pushkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pushkin)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/927 "2009-06-02T11:46:31Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > I assume you will be killing yourself now. Shouldn’t his lower digestive tract crawl up his throat and do that for us? (If I remember that line from the guide correctly, I probably haven’t, but then the film cut it a bit short too.) And yeah, this thread reminded me of my disappointment in the green Orion girl. The two from TOS (only two, weren’t there? Vina and Marta) and even the one from TAS looked better than what the makeup artists (I use the term loosely) in the new film came up with. Still, Scotty was treated a lot better than Gimli was by their respective film outings. I’m not sure why there was a switch from Chekov as comic relief, especially since the actor who played him made him seem so young. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/928 "2009-06-02T13:14:46Z")
Am I the only one who doesn’t really care about the Orion women, but thinks the Orion _men_ were hot? ---
**Author:** ![Corner\_Case](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/corner_case/32/234_2.png) [@Corner\_Case](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corner_Case)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/929 "2009-06-02T13:45:45Z")
Wasn’t that only shown in Quantum Trek? ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/930 "2009-06-02T15:05:45Z")
Well, and the cartoon, where at least some of them were blue. Yeah, that’s right. Giant spacefaring Smurfs. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/931 "2009-06-02T16:24:01Z")
Wasn’t there an Orion guy in “Journey to Babel”, or do we never see one out of disguise? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/932 "2009-06-02T16:47:29Z")
Perhaps you are thinking of the Andorians. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/933 "2009-06-02T17:08:22Z")
Eh? It’s been a while, but the plot of “Journey to Babel” revolves around an Orion _disguised as an Andorian_, trying to break up the Babel conference with the aid of his Orion cohorts in a ship dogging the Enterprise. I just don’t recall if we ever saw any non-disguised Orions. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/934 "2009-06-02T17:28:36Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > Orion _disguised as an Andorian_, I misunderstood. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/935 "2009-06-02T17:29:07Z")
Spock _speculated_ Thelev was an Orion. I took care to insert this information on the wiki page long ago. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/936 "2009-06-02T19:25:49Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > I just don’t recall if we ever saw any non-disguised Orions. Discounting the animated series, we never saw any until _Enterprise_. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/937 "2009-06-02T19:35:23Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Spock _speculated_ Thelev was an Orion. Vulcans _speculate?_ :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/938 "2009-06-02T20:00:27Z")
They lie, too. Beats me how the impression they don’t ever got started. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/939 "2009-06-02T22:27:47Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I took care to insert this information on the wiki page long ago. Heh. I read the wiki page trying to refresh my memory of whether we’d seen an Orion, and saw how that hadn’t been confirmed. 🙂 But I couldn’t remember whether they showed the inside POV of the Orion ship – as they often did as in, say, Balance of Terror. Didn’t mention _that_ on wiki, didja mr. fancypants wikieditor? ---
**Author:** ![TWDuke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@TWDuke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TWDuke)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/940 "2009-06-02T23:01:07Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > They lie, too. Beats me how the impression they don’t ever got started. The Enterprise Incident: “I have heard of the Vulcan integrity and personal honor. There is a well-known saying, or is it a myth, that Vulcans are incapable of lying.” The Doomsday Machine: "“Vulcans never bluff.” The Menagerie: "- “It’s impossible, Jim; Spock is a Vulcan. He is utterly incapable of lying.” Trek V: “I am a Vulcan. I am incapable of lying.” Of course, he’s lying when he says that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640.md?page=46) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640.md?page=48)