# Star Trek -- the "I saw it" thread \*\*SPOILERS\*\* **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 7, 2009, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640 "2009-05-07T08:13:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 50
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2009, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/981 "2009-06-06T23:13:08Z")
> [@Pushkin](#): > > Well, if it’s not camp, what the hell is [this](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAvRBDQqSmY&feature=related) and [this](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD5lwyk1paQ&feature=related)? 😃 My post was a reference to _The Search for Whales_ “James T. Kirk was no boy scout.” Humor-it is a difficult concept. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2009, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/982 "2009-06-06T23:43:05Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > Vegas is a [long drive](http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=riverside,+iowa&daddr=las+vegas,+nevada&hl=en&mra=ls&sll=22.917923,-93.251953&sspn=36.241144,56.25&ie=UTF8&z=5) from Riverside by hoverbike. How do you know that? It’s not inconceivable that hoverbikes can cruise at 300 mph and need refueling only every 20,000 miles at that speed. ---
**Author:** ![Raguleader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/258eb7/32.png) [@Raguleader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raguleader)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2009, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/983 "2009-06-07T02:42:22Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > My post was a reference to _The Search for Whales_ “James T. Kirk was no boy scout.” > > Humor-it is a difficult concept. :dubious: Search for Whales? It was _Wrath of Khan_!!:mad: ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2009, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/984 "2009-06-07T02:52:12Z")
> [@Raguleader](#): > > Search for Whales? It was _Wrath of Khan_!!:mad: By golly, you are correct, Sir. Ir was a test, and you scored admirably! I knew that. ---
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2009, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/985 "2009-06-07T02:56:47Z")
Just waiting for the odometer on this thread to turn over on 1000. As you were. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2009, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/986 "2009-06-07T12:07:52Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > My post was a reference to _The Search for Whales_ “James T. Kirk was no boy scout.” > > Humor-it is a difficult concept. :dubious: Well, I’ll admit to being completely whooshed. I missed the whole “Kirk was no boy scout” comment in the WoK. In fact, I’ll cop to being doubly whooshed because I suspect now you were riffing on the word “camp” and not “campy” at all. Or am I off base? Taken out of context, those scenes are some painful watching. Shatner does overact, but I still love him for it. And that outfit that chick has on (in the female takes over Kirk’s body show–can’t remember her name) is horrid. It adds at least 25 pounds to her figure. I also dislike that show because it shows (unlike most of the other shows) how limited in his thinking was Roddenberry. He goes for the “woman isn’t content with her lot in life so we must make her out to be crazed\*” schtick. We’ve come a long way, baby on TV re that meme. And thank god. \*I realize that this chick was somewhat crazed re Kirk (aren’t they all?), but IME, it went beyond just a personal thing for her. Why couldn’t women be StarFleet captains? I’m glad they did show a female commander in future shows. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2009, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/987 "2009-06-07T13:20:48Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > In fact, I’ll cop to being doubly whooshed because I suspect now you were riffing on the word “camp” and not “campy” at all. I hadn’t thought of that, but I’ll certainly take credit for it if given the chance. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2009, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/988 "2009-06-07T13:43:37Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > What I like about TOS is how they allowed even minor characters like Nurse Chapel to be complex. I love her crushing on Spock, and yet she also gets her digs in to him at times. We must have watched different series. Some single-episode guest stars on modern series get more character development than Rand, Chapel, Sulu, Chekov, and Uhura. > [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > How do you know that? It’s not inconceivable that hoverbikes can cruise at 300 mph and need refueling only every 20,000 miles at that speed. Perhaps, but I didn’t say it would take a long _time_, only that it’s a long _drive_, which could have just as well meant distance. Even assuming your interpretation and your figures, though, he’s still looking at a five hour drive. That’s a hell of a lot longer than I want to be on a bike. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2009, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/989 "2009-06-07T16:41:47Z")
Perhaps you weren’t paying close attention? 😉 I pay particular attention to Nurse Chapel (this time around) well, because of me being a nurse and all. She has some subtle moments. Uhura should get more airtime, true. I cannot stand Chekov and never could (the first few shows he has a girl’s haircut. I know they were trying to make him into the Mickey from the Monkees for ST, but it was --and I use this term advisedly–an epic fail), so the less time he spends on camera, the better for me. And Sulu is just weird to me. Every time I see him, I am reminded of his dissing of Shatner over the years. Methinks he wanted his own show. It really doesn’t matter if Shatner was a complete dick to work with or not–the show’s been over for quite some time. Get over yourself! But I digress. I’d like to find ST the movie and see it while in Iceland, but tonight is my last night here. No clue how to find it… ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2009, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/990 "2009-06-07T16:52:52Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > I cannot stand Chekov and never could (the first few shows he has a girl’s haircut. I believe that was a wig while his hair grew out to look like Davy Jones from the Monkees. 🙂 > [@eleanorigby](#): > > And Sulu is just weird to me. Every time I see him, I am reminded of his dissing of Shatner over the years. Methinks he wanted his own show. That would have been cool. _Star Trek: Excelsior_ or _Star Trek: Captain Sulu,_ save that in the later films he seems to try and sound like Toshiro Mifuni. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2009, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/991 "2009-06-07T17:42:05Z")
Dunno who Toshiro is, but I would not have watched a show with Sulu as Captain Kangaroo, much less head of a starship. I would have watched one with Spock as captain or Uhura–that would have been cool. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2009, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/992 "2009-06-07T19:05:41Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > Dunno who Toshiro is A Japanese [actor](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001536/)who made about a million Samurai movies, including some classics that were remade into American Westerns. He spoke in a very deep voice. I believe it was _The Undiscovered Country_ where as Captain of _Excelsior_ he attempts to rescue _Enterprise._ One of his crewmen insists, “She’ll fly apart, Sir!” and Sulu responds, “Fly her apart then! I owe my life to those men a dozen times over!” Campy, but cool. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2009, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/993 "2009-06-07T19:17:56Z")
Sulu’s no Sisko but he’s about ten times awesomer than Kirk. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2009, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/994 "2009-06-07T19:21:18Z")
I’ve always wondered if the name “Sulu” was just completely made up by Roddenberry. I’ve been into Japanese pop culture for several years and have _never_ seen that name outside of Star Trek. It doesn’t even _sound_ Japanese. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2009, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/995 "2009-06-07T19:24:45Z")
It’s tagalog. [Sulu Sea](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulu_Sea) ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2009, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/996 "2009-06-07T19:27:47Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > Sulu’s no Sisko but he’s about ten times awesomer than Kirk. Kirk lost his shirt a lot, but I never saw him skipping down the corridor with an epee’. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2009, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/997 "2009-06-07T19:32:35Z")
And thank the Great Bird for that. Nobody wanted to see his bouncing man boobs. ---
**Author:** ![FordTaurusSHO94](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f07891/32.png) [@FordTaurusSHO94](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FordTaurusSHO94)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2009, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/998 "2009-06-07T19:52:38Z")
I think the Corvette was either a replica or a restomod. Nobody would perfectly restore a car that was several hundred years old and then add that communicator/MP3 thing. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2009, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/999 "2009-06-07T19:52:46Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > Sulu’s no Sisko but he’s about ten times awesomer than Kirk. Absolutely not. The first season of ST, (now watching as an adult heterosexual female), Kirk is hot, hot, hot. There are no man boobs–those come later, in the films, IMS. Sulu was never hot, but he was good with a sword. I tried to go see ST in Icelandic but I’d need a car to get to the ONE theater it’s playing at. \ ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2009, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/1000 "2009-06-07T19:54:21Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > I’ve always wondered if the name “Sulu” was just completely made up by Roddenberry. I’ve been into Japanese pop culture for several years and have _never_ seen that name outside of Star Trek. It doesn’t even _sound_ Japanese. Like Cho Chang for Rowling–it’s not Chinese (the Cho part). Was Sulu supposed to be Japanese? I never really thought about it… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640.md?page=49) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640.md?page=51)