# Star Trek -- the "I saw it" thread \*\*SPOILERS\*\* **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 7, 2009, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640 "2009-05-07T08:13:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 56
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/1101 "2009-06-17T07:01:00Z")
VULCAN! You bastards! I don’t know what else to say. Can they just leave it broke? ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/1102 "2009-06-17T12:09:46Z")
No, it will be miraculously fixed for the next movie. 😛 Actually, I think destroying the planet was revenge for what they did to Vulcans in _Enterprise_. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/1103 "2009-06-17T12:35:06Z")
> [@Annie](#): > > Someone go check Memory Alpha for me 🆒 What, girls can’t work computers? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/1104 "2009-06-17T14:32:37Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > A mere discussion on biology. > If you wish to speak of someone Spock was seriously interested in, consider the [Romulan Commander.](http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/romulan.htm) Spock only feigned interest to get her cloaking device. He was playing her like a violin. ---
**Author:** ![Icerigger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icerigger/32/432_2.png) [@Icerigger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icerigger)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/1105 "2009-06-17T14:37:43Z")
Yes I Agree. The Commander is often held up as a female role model but she comprises her duty in pursuit of a man. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/1106 "2009-06-17T14:41:07Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > No, it will be miraculously fixed for the next movie. 😛 > > Actually, I think destroying the planet was revenge for what they did to Vulcans in _Enterprise_. I’ve never left a scifi feeling so outraged before. It felt like they came to my house and shot my cat. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/1107 "2009-06-17T15:18:50Z")
> [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > Spock only feigned interest to get her cloaking device. He was playing her like a violin. [From Wiki](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Enterprise_Incident) > [@](#): > > Alone with Spock in the turbolift, the Romulan acknowledges defeat and expresses her bitter disappointment at Spock’s betrayal. Spock avers that, although his loyalty is to the Federation, she underestimates herself considerably if she believes he was not tempted. She turns around and says, “They why?” Spock says, “You would respect no other decision.” She responds, “It will be our secret.” ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/1108 "2009-06-17T16:25:04Z")
Great character. A lot of ink spilled about her in fanfic, and we don’t even know her real name! ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/1109 "2009-06-17T17:09:50Z")
A number of authorized novels as well, some of which are quite good for adaptations of a TV series. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/1110 "2009-06-17T21:20:49Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > A number of authorized novels as well, some of which are quite good for adaptations of a TV series. **Aesiron** , are you referring to the gripping but, frankly, soft-core gay BDSM porn novels—i.e, The Price of the Phoenix & The Fate of the Phoenixby Culbreath & what’s-her-name–or to the far more lighthearted and considerably less pervy Rihannsu novels by Diane Duane? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/1111 "2009-06-17T21:26:48Z")
The Romulan Commander (I feel I should point out that an earlier character played by Mark Lenard in “Balance of Terror” is also known solely by that title, though his character and Joanne Linville’s are unrelated) also has a cameo in the thoroughly goofy but entertaining 1983 novel _Black Fire_. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/1112 "2009-06-17T22:38:02Z")
The Duane novels. The Romulans were always my favorite Trek species, so I liked the attention she gave them. Spock’s World is by Duane as well, and is pretty good, too. I try to ignore the pre-PB 70s novels, many of which are obviously fanfic in retrospect. I had no idea what slash or Mary Sues were when I read them as an early teen, but thinking back on them now, I feel a little dirty. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/1113 "2009-06-17T22:45:55Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > The Duane novels. The Romulans were always my favorite Trek species, so I liked the attention she gave them. Spock’s World is by Duane as well, and is pretty good, too. > > I try to ignore the pre-PB 70s novels, many of which are obviously fanfic in retrospect. I had no idea what slash or Mary Sues were when I read them as an early teen, but thinking back on them now, I feel a little dirty. Have I said _Fool of a Took!_ today? Oh, who cares? It’s not like anyone body expects me not to be repetiive. Fool of a Took! i remind you that JOE HALDEMAN wrote one of those novels youso casually dismiss: Planet of Judgment. That’s hardly fan-fiction; it’s a damn fine read. Likewise Gordon Eklund’s The Starless World, and more than a few others. Even the Marshak-Culbreath efforts have their virtues, though the sadomasochist subtext is…ooky. ---
**Author:** ![Raguleader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/258eb7/32.png) [@Raguleader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raguleader)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/1114 "2009-06-17T22:53:33Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > The Romulan Commander (I feel I should point out that an earlier character played by Mark Lenard in “Balance of Terror” is also known solely by that title, though his character and Joanne Linville’s are unrelated) also has a cameo in the thoroughly goofy but entertaining 1983 novel _Black Fire_. How can we be sure they’re not related? They have the same surname! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/1115 "2009-06-17T23:05:50Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Fool of a Took! i remind you that JOE HALDEMAN wrote one of those novels youso casually dismiss: Planet of Judgment. That’s hardly fan-fiction; it’s a damn fine read. I prefer Haldeman’s _World Without End_, myself. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/1116 "2009-06-17T23:08:37Z")
> [@Raguleader](#): > > How can we be sure they’re not related? They have the same surname! 😃 Well, so do Mickey and Minnie Mouse, but they’re still dating. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/1117 "2009-06-17T23:09:30Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Have I said _Fool of a Took!_ today? > > Oh, who cares? It’s not like anyone body expects me not to be repetiive. > > Fool of a Took! i remind you that JOE HALDEMAN wrote one of those novels youso casually dismiss: Planet of Judgment. That’s hardly fan-fiction; it’s a damn fine read. Likewise Gordon Eklund’s The Starless World, and more than a few others. Even the Marshak-Culbreath efforts have their virtues, though the sadomasochist subtext is…ooky. I just looked both those up, and I’ve not read either, but neither of those make up for _Spock, Messiah!_ ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/1118 "2009-06-17T23:29:12Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Well, so do Mickey and Minnie Mouse, but they’re still dating. Judging from some of the toys I’ve seen at school, I believe they are living in sin. Skald: “What does it mean, ‘Ooky’?” ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/1119 "2009-06-18T00:32:47Z")
Can we start rating the Trek novels? I haven’t read many, but by far the worst was a NextGen snoozer called _War Drums_. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/1120 "2009-06-18T01:30:12Z")
I kinda liked that one from my hazy memory of it. My favorites are the DS9 Relaunch and New Frontier, though my favorite standalone is easily Prime Directive by Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens, stupid ending and all. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640.md?page=55) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640.md?page=57)