# Star Trek -- the "I saw it" thread \*\*SPOILERS\*\* **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 7, 2009, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640 "2009-05-07T08:13:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 58
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2009, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/1141 "2009-06-19T21:35:20Z")
The movie is a [edited for language] disaster. How people actually like this movie is beyond me. [This “abridged script” of _Star Trek_](http://www.the-editing-room.com/star-trek.html) pretty much sums up many of the complaints I have with the film concisely, and humorously. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2009, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/1142 "2009-06-19T21:58:32Z")
I just saw it again today with #2 son (who is 11). He loved it. I like it better, now. I still can’t stand Childe Kirk–but I think it’s because I find the actor repellant. What, they couldn’t find a blonde child? It’s so obvious a dye job. That and he looks too much like Jimmy Neutron for me (and I like Jimmy Neutron). I like Scotty better, but the silliness of their beam aboard remains. The implausibility of Kirk going straight into captaincy takes some swallowing as well. I think the theory still holds true: odd numbered ST movies are weaker than even ones. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2009, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/1143 "2009-06-19T22:05:54Z")
You think Nemesis is better than Star Trek? You’re clearly insane. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2009, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/1144 "2009-06-19T22:26:46Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > You think Nemesis is better than Star Trek? You’re clearly insane. Nemesis (and The Final Frontier) had one thing going for it this movie does not: characters who have some built-in likeability making them sympathetic. Yes, the plot’s a disaster, but because we like Picard and Data, we care what happens to them. By jettisoning the old series, the latest movie sacrificed all claim to such. Which is not necessarily a bad thing. The Battlestar Galactica reboot jettisoned its history in a far more substantial way than ST 90210 did. But at least they were willing to commit to it. “All that old stuff–entirely irrevelant to this story,” they said. “Any similiarity of name and setting is just coincidence.” ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2009, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/1145 "2009-06-19T22:34:08Z")
I like Final Frontier. Nemesis, however, is one of the three worst movies in the franchise, along with The Motion Picture and Generations. First Contact was the only TNG movie that was any good. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2009, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/1146 "2009-06-19T23:10:06Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > The Battlestar Galactica reboot jettisoned its history in a far more substantial way than ST 90210 did. But at least they were willing to commit to it. “All that old stuff–entirely irrevelant to this story,” they said. “Any similiarity of name and setting is just coincidence.” Indeed, but the ending of BG may very well be worse than _Star Trek: 90210._ I don’t want to think about it. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2009, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/1147 "2009-06-19T23:14:20Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Indeed, but the ending of BG may very well be worse than _Star Trek: 90210._ > I don’t want to think about it. I only started watching BSG this year and have not yet made it to the ending; I’m about to the point where Ellen Tigh is whoring herself to obtain her husband’s relief from prison. So obviousy I can’t comment further. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2009, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/1148 "2009-06-19T23:26:40Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > I only started watching BSG this year and have not yet made it to the ending; I’m about to the point where Ellen Tigh is whoring herself to obtain her husband’s relief from prison. So obviousy I can’t comment further. Stop. Stop now. I regret the five years of my life I spent recording this. I want to melt down the DVDs I burned and pour them into Ron Moore’s eyes. ---
**Author:** ![Raguleader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/258eb7/32.png) [@Raguleader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raguleader)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2009, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/1149 "2009-06-19T23:35:13Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Nemesis (and The Final Frontier) had one thing going for it this movie does not: characters who have some built-in likeability making them sympathetic. Yes, the plot’s a disaster, but because we like Picard and Data, we care what happens to them. By jettisoning the old series, the latest movie sacrificed all claim to such. Nemesis had likeable characters? I’m sorry, the whole “ZOMG WE CAN’T SEE THE ENEMY SHIP BECAUSE HE IS CLOAKED!” thing came off as terminally retarded when even I could say “There he is!” because of the huge fucking mass of tracers leading back to him as he flew circles around the Enterprise E and hosed them down with weapons fire. Nevermind the massive BS that is the Scimitar in that movie. A huge ship that can fly like a fighter jet, and has both shields AND weapons while cloaked. It wouldn’t have been any more of a stretch for it to have the power to transform into a Peterbilt semi truck. I think I complained about this before, the Romulans went years without getting a single new starship design on TNG and DS9, then in the movies they get all these apeshit weird crazy spindly things. I predict the next Star Trek movie to have a battle between the Enterprise and a Romulan Space Anemone. Now, as far as the whole “Enlist” thing, I can buy that due to whatever social changes over the next hundred and fifty years or so they end up taking a slightly different connotation of “Enlist”. As far as I can tell, if you break the word down, it literally means to add your name to a list, presumably a military service roster. Also, the Federation has always really been a sort of Socialist/Communist society gone right, as presented on the shows, with few people caring much for things like personal wealth, so that might explain why they wouldn’t have separate tiers for enlisted men and commissioned officers. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2009, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/1150 "2009-06-19T23:36:40Z")
> [@Raguleader](#): > > Nemesis had likeable characters? I’m sorry, the whole “ZOMG WE CAN’T SEE THE ENEMY SHIP BECAUSE HE IS CLOAKED!” thing came off as terminally retarded when even I could say “There he is!” because of the huge fucking mass of tracers leading back to him as he flew circles around the Enterprise E and hosed them down with weapons fire.. I believe I said the movie was a clusterfuck of epic proportions. The characters had goodwill FROM THEIR HISTORY. Is that hard to understand? ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2009, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/1151 "2009-06-19T23:37:41Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Stop. Stop now. I regret the five years of my life I spent recording this. I want to melt down the DVDs I burned and pour them into Ron Moore’s eyes. Trust me when I say I have good reasons to keep watching it that have little to do with the series itself. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2009, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/1152 "2009-06-19T23:47:09Z")
> [@Raguleader](#): > > I think I complained about this before, the Romulans went years without getting a single new starship design on TNG and DS9, then in the movies they get all these apeshit weird crazy spindly things. I predict the next Star Trek movie to have a battle between the Enterprise and a Romulan Space Anemone. I’ve complained about this at length myself, and in this thread. The Rihannsu are my favorite species, and I’ve always been annoyed by the Klingons overshadowing them, so I was ecstatic when I found out Nemesis would have the Romulans as the antagonists, and then it turns out to be a clone of Picard in a ship that looked like a bunch of shards of glass glued together. The Valdore at least made up for that a little, but in this movie, we get a fucking pine cone with needles poking out of it. Each of the major species have a specific design aesthetic, you assholes. STICK TO IT. I hate this current fad of sharp, spindly ships. The only thing more annoying was the fad before this, when everything was organic. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/1153 "2009-06-20T00:04:10Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > You think Nemesis is better than Star Trek? You’re clearly insane. Is this directed at me? Which movie is Nemesis? I need some plot details, because (frankly) they all run together after a bit for me. I actually LIKED all the ST movies (of the first 6) except the first one–it’s too slow and has too much of what I call starship or engineering porn. I don’t want or need slow pans of the Enterprise–get on the damned thing and let’s get to it! IMO, the one thing this new ST movie captured was the chemistry between the The Big 3. Everything else is negotiable. Does that mean I like and/or approve of the changes made etc? Not neccessarily–but I am relieved that they didn’t mess up the relational dynamics. I’m starting to read the Crucible Series–I started with McCoy. So far (30 pages in) it’s slow going. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/1154 "2009-06-20T00:11:39Z")
It was, yes, and Nemesis was the fourth TNG movie, or the tenth overall. It was the one with Picard’s clone, and yet another Soong-type android. ---
**Author:** ![Leiko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Leiko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leiko)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/1155 "2009-06-20T00:29:49Z")
**eleanorigby** (I’ve just realized your name has only one r!), Nemesis is a Next Generation cast film featuring Picard’s evil young clone and Romulans. Oh, and Data’s “little identical brother” B-4. Wow, that sounds even worse when I write it like that. And I didn’t even mention the major plot holes. Edit: That’s what I get for opening a thread, having a kitchen timer go off, dealing with it, coming back, and then not previewing before I hit post. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/1156 "2009-06-20T00:35:39Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > Nemesis, however, is one of the three worst movies in the franchise, along with The Motion Picture and Generations. Any such list that does not include _Insurrection_ is a damnable lie wrapped in a cruel myth surrounded by a hideous curse. I mean, c’mon, a follow-the-bouncing-ball Gilbert and Sullivan sing-along? _…shudder…_ ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/1157 "2009-06-20T00:39:26Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Any such list that does not include _Insurrection_ is a damnable lie wrapped in a cruel myth surrounded by a hideous curse. I mean, c’mon, a follow-the-bouncing-ball Gilbert and Sullivan sing-along? > > _…shudder…_ Fool of a Took! That movie has Donna Murphy in it. As Donna Murphy is perfect,it is impossible for her to be in a completely bad movie, as those parts of it with her are, obviously, perfect by extension. The parts without Donna Murphy are bad, though. Espeically the joystick. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/1158 "2009-06-20T00:49:14Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > That movie has Donna Murphy in it. As Donna Murphy is perfect,it is impossible for her to be in a completely bad movie, as those parts of it with her are, obviously, perfect by extension. And yet, my dear nerf-herder, it happened. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/1159 "2009-06-20T00:53:08Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > And yet, my dear nerf-herder, it happened. Admittedly, the non-Donna Murphy parts, in themselves pretty damn bad, are made worse by the fact that the viewer thinks, “Damn! Where is Donna Murphy? And why are they talking about Crusher’s boobs if they’re not going to show them? And why would they wait till now to tease us with Crusher’s boobs rather than show them years ago when she was at her hottest? it’s not like she is donna murphy, perfect in and of her self? And WHY IS DONNA MURPHY NOT ON THE SCREEN!” It’s a vicious cycle. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640/1160 "2009-06-20T00:54:33Z")
Hey! I finally figured out why I liked _Star Trek_ [XI]. While everyone else seems to think _The Wrath of Kahn_ [II] was the best, I’ve always preferred _The Voyage Home_ [IV]. And my favorite episode of The Original Series was “The Trouble with Tribbles.” And I love the witty repartee at the end of every TOS episode, which was the one thing I missed in \*The Next Generation. \*What does this all have in common? They’re all comedic. I like comedy in my _Trek_. And the latest movie delivers this in spades. In fact, the things that are frustrating to so many of you I just found funny. Heck, I got the people in the theater to start laughing with my big boisterous laugh. I don’t know if I’ve mentioned it, but the only plot hole that pulled me out of the movie was the “transwarp beaming” aspect. And that was only because I forgot that Scotty was still alive in Spock Prime’s continuity. It must have been discovered after _Voyager_. Heck, transwarp beaming would completely change the dynamics of Star Fleet. If you can just beam people across interstellar distances, starships become a lot less important. Especially since they always beam down to the planet anyways. Just send an away team from a known planet somewhere near the one you want to explore. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640.md?page=57) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-i-saw-it-thread-spoilers/495640.md?page=59)