You really weren’t paying attention were you? Every one of your criticisms are predicated on not watching the movie closely. The ship wasn’t due for launch. They hadn’t had the christening yet. Presumably the crew hadn’t been transferred. The entire fleet was at the “Lorengian” system at some crisis. Sheesh, could you at least pay attention before lamenting about plot holes?
That’s how technobabble works, they conjure it out of nowhere. If you don’t like technobabble, stop watching Star Trek.
It’s public knowledge where SF headquarters is. You think they chose that place randomly?
It blew up seven capital ships in less time that it took to unlock the Enterprise’s parking break. Remember, Sulu forgetting to disengage the “external inertial damper” is why they didn’t take off with the rest of the fleet. In the minute it took them to get underway Nero’s ship had obliterated the other ships. It had also destroyed 46 Klingon vessels earlier as per Uhura’s interception.
Nero’s ship is the tits.
Time travel sucks in general, but at least it was *accidental *time travel here. Not necessarily something repeatable.
Really? Were you watching the movie? Because the building they show is shown after Kirk enters Starfleet, and is getting ready for his 3rd Kobayashi Maru. The people all over the place are wearing cadet uniforms.
It’s also established canon, from The Voyage Home.
While it may not be a definition, trying to argue that firing on an enemy makes less sense than plunging a star ship into a black hole seems to be a good example of straining to find a flaw.
Seriously? A madman with a serious grudge against the Federation couldn’t possibly think that’s important? Destroying a planet might not be just a little more satisfying if you do it in such a way as to cause maximum fear and suffering at the heart of a hated institution - one that’s directly connected with the individual you hate most in all the universe? And it’s a plot hole that there wasn’t a pause in the action to explain the bleeding obvious?
So while most of the fleet is off somewhere, let’s throw the rest, including one ship that doesn’t have anything close to a proper crew, into a crisis about which we know nothing.
Heck, no wonder Kirk got his promotion - all of Starfleet is made up of rash idjits.
Well, silly me for hoping a much ballyhooed “reboot” would abandon some of the stupider ideas of the past.
There’s no indication that Nero knew, or cared, where SFHQ was. Why would he?
Right, and Sulu’s screwup is just another silly coincidence that keeps the plot moving, because otherwise the Enterprise would’ve been toasted in a few seconds (which incidentally opens up yet another plot hole - how Kirk’s dad managed, by himself and with a ship less advanced than the seven ships that would later attack, to hold off Nero’s ship for several minutes culminating in a minute-long kamikaze dive, when Nero should’ve been able to destroy him in three seconds flat).
Yeah, apparently, which makes all this battle crap moot. Hey, here’s a thought - since we can beam objects right onto Nero’s ship, why not beam aboard some big bombs or something?
Nero’s ship was comically screwy, incidentally, with platforms sticking out all over the place like some like of live-action Mario game (“All I asked for was a railing, but they said we’d be leaning against it all day!”).
Hey, once you have black holes that don’t behave anything like black holes as we understand them, all bets are off. I’m surprised it didn’t occur to Kirk to, say, dive through the black hole on purpose, go further back in time, find Nero’s ancestors, break up their marriage, and thus undo all the events of the film.
Communications were cut off and they didn’t know an unstoppable future mining ship would be there.
It got rid of a lot of them.
Look upthread. It’s common knowledge, why wouldn’t he, it doesn’t cost any more money to drill a hole at the headquarters than it does at Antarctica. You’re dead wrong, sorry.
Yeah, a silly coincidence. I’d like to introduce you to the concept of drama. If a silly hobbit hadn’t picked up a ring LOtR woudln’t have happened either. If a failed assasin hadn’t been stopping at a deli WWI wouldn’t have happened.
Nero wasn’t ready for a fight at that time, he had just come through the wormhole. Presumably he was laying in ambush and ready to go for the fleet sent to Vulcan.
That’s a classic Star Trek blunder. But in this case, they were in Earth’s system full of Red Matter. Nukeing the ship would have been a bad idea.
Romulans are emo.
Because they might have ended up anywhere in history or anywhere in the universe for that matter? And shooting them seemed to work.
No, I stand by my original assertion - that it was a production decision. They’d already secured the “Academy” buildings and rounded up a few hundred extras in cadet costumes, so why not spend the extra day having then run around and gawk up at the sky?
One or two might be okay to establish the plot - piling them on with glee to keep the plot moving gets on my nerves.
Nero’s waiting around for Spock-prime to show up, right? Nobody in the intervening 25 years goes out to investigate this weird “lightning storm” where one starship has already been lost? There are plenty of surviving witnesses, after all. How does a ship as big and powerful and conspicuous as Nero’s go about “laying in ambush” all that time without being noticed?
hat’s a classic Star Trek blunder. But in this case, they were in Earth’s system full of Red Matter. Nukeing the ship would have been a bad idea.
Not with these writers. They’d’ve ended up at McCoy’s wedding or something.
I got a real sense of “fate” from this movie. One could say the writers are expressing “where you be is where you at” and therefore something had to delay the Enterprise’s arrival, whether it be Kirk’s and Uhura’s new information or Sulu’s brainfart, or both.
It looked to me like cargo holds and catwalks. Or high-bay warehouses with catwalks. Definitely catwalks, though.
Incidentally I’m going to see it again today. It’s the first movie since The Wrath of Khan that I’ve seen twice in the theater.
As an incidental note, I figure the whole point of the 25-year thing was so James Kirk could be marked as a man of destiny. I don’t recall Kirk’s father ever appearing or being mentioned before in any canon, let alone described as a heroic Starfleet officer from whom James must have (in the simplistic world of movies) inherited some kind of unshakable heroism.
I only mention this because I wonder how the people of Riverside, Iowa feel now that their “Future Birthplace of Captain James T. Kirk” plaque has been retconned out of significance.
Do a fellow Charter Member a favor and write down the tail number of the shuttle in the scene with Spock and Spock Prime. Something like 120910.
Thanks.
You’re clearly wrong. And you stamping your feet doesn’t make it right.
Evidently.
Once again, you don’t listen to the dialogue and then get pissed when you don’t understand what’s going on. Nero came to where Spock would emerge from the wormhole. His second in command said, “we’re at the spot we calculated.” So they, using their 24th century computers figured out the spot where Spock would re-emerge from the wormhole. They weren’t in the same place the whole time. And they certainly weren’t in orbit of Vulcan until just before the attack. Watch it again and take notes, youf fanboy rage has made you miss important plot points.
Lol. Or they would’ve ended up somewhere with an awesome story and told it in an exciting fashion.
I always took the “canyon” to be a rock quarry, too. It seemed boxy and artificial to me.
I’m pretty sure that was never canon, anyway. The dialogue from The Voyage Home as I remember it was “I’m from Iowa. I only work in space”. No city was mentioned, and he never said he was born there.
Riverside was named as the Star Fleet base he motorcycled to, wasn’t it?
As for the canyon/gouge, it reminded me of something the Xindi did in the tv show Enterprise, but I didn’t watch it well enough to know any details. Any Enterprise watchers remember? (I think it was the Xindi anyway).
