It’s an alternate time line. Amok TIme and Journey to Babel happened. That’s why I haven’t put these guys on my “Ron Moore” list. It involves melted lead or boiling oil…yes, I’m sure boiling oil is in there somewhere.
Think of it as the South Park kids playing Star Trek. Another TV show. It’s a different thing. It is not real.
Journey to Babel, in particular, can no longer occur anywhere near as it did the first time. Amanda is dead; Spock and Sarek are already reconciled; and Vulcan is no longer a major power. The Bable conference isn’t going to be Earth & Vulcan telling the Tellarites and the Andorians how things are going to go; it’s going to be the Vulcans asking for assistance so their culture doesn’t go extinct. And that’s not a bad thing; they needed some new stories. (And still do.)
I might also point out that the orions appear to be members of the Federation already.
A single Orion female doesn’t indicate Orion is a Federation world anymore than Worf or Nog indicate Q’onos or Ferenginar are member worlds.
How many times must I tell you to stop bothering me with facts! If the facts don’t support my interpretation of the situation, I don’t want to hear about them! 
You’re right, of course. But not much thought to the implications of things went into this movie. But the same is true of all filmed Trek without the word “DS9” in the title.
Nearest thing I’ve seen to that is the Starbuck episode of Battlestar Galactica 1984 
I totally can, saying that as a Trekkie since a kid. It’s kind of fun, the franchise being given not just a boot but a chainsaw up the rear. I guess it’s something to do with my view of Star Trek going from something of a beacon of hope to a series where Gene Roddenberry either took girls from the casting couch to the bed or had them walk about in miniskirts. It’s all about the fun, always has been.
Maybe it’s because I’ve had my Trek, grown up with it, absorbed and enjoyed it and now this new Trek can come along and wipe out the rubbish that came after. My ex flicked on Voyager today and gawd was it awful. So much more than it ever was before. While I happily picked out and enjoyed an episode of TAS and one of TOS with my daughter, I don’t think I’ll be able to sit down and even watch anything past TNG, maybe not even that series.
I feel a bit spoiled now with this new film, as if I’ve had one waafer feen mint thrust at me
Break out the compression phaser rifles.
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There was at least one Orion in the audience when Kirk got his award, so if the Orions are in the Academy I assume they are in the Federation. Maybe there are multiple Orions - after all, the constellation has lots of stars scattered all over.
I don’t call this Star Trek 90210 - I call it Star Trek Babies, because, like Muppet Babies, a bunch of characters of varying ages are shown meeting before canon does. At least the Muppet Babies never ran a show in the theater.
I saw TOS from the very first episode, and saw every episode the first time it ran. I haven’t read the whole thread, but Kirk was clearly in his early to mid-30s, and
Chekov, at the time of the second season, was a young ensign not long out of the Academy, He’d not be 17 at the time of this movie, but more like 10. The back story showed Kirk maturing out of the Academy - I don’t buy that he’d be ready to be a Captain right after graduating. The officers are officers now just because they were officers in the series.
I’m never going to watch Lost now, so take that Abrams.
He cares like Ron Moore cares I’m not going to watch Caprica.
I’m going to go catch up on this thread now…have we ripped on Scotty’s sidekick? (whatsis name? Jar Jar? Scrappy Do? Godzuki? Kato?
He’s been mostly ignored. I liked him.
Bat-Mite.
Caution: Janeway fangirl
Right, a search brings up nothing for me on this, so: why did Spock crouch down when beaming to Vulcan? Was he expecting to materialize under the dining room table or something?
Stability, maybe? He was beaming down to a planet that was in the process of coming apart.
He could’ve followed through on that and covered his head with his arms or grabbed a helmet or something.
Maybe that’s why Vulcan hair looks that way- it’s scalp armour. Sorta like that second eyelid, but protects the brainpan.
One thing I just thought of - and my apologies if this has been covered in the 8 pages of this thread I haven’t read.
Why is Spock so bent out of shape about Kirk cheating? His reason was that Kirk didn’t get the benefit of facing fear, but this is the third time he did the simulation. I assume the first time he felt fear, the second time he was studying it to figure out how to hack it, and the third time we saw. Perhaps it was an emotional reaction on Spock’s part?
I guess Spock’s raging hormones, shown here, explains his big wide grin in The Cage.
I skipped a page or 2. so this may have already been mentioned.
Am I the only one who heard the sound of a watch mechanism as Spock was looking up at the Council?
I had never considered “And the horse you rode in on!” to be the logical phrase following “Live long and prosper.”
I figured, he was crouching, so he could start running as soon as he finished materializing.
That - it looked cool.
There was an episode where they encountered a mysterious bearded guy and his anti-matter twin from another universe . He had a podlike spaceship. No connection with Khan, though.
<blushes and whispers I’ll send you the money tomorrow>
I AM a Trek person–I even went to an early Trekkie convention here in Chicago when I was 13. That was 34 years ago. I haven’t watched it much since… So, yes, I had forgotten all about Khan. I had such a crush on all three of the main characters at 13 that I never paid much attention to the villains.
I spent this weekend watching ST1-6, except for 5, which was already checked out. I like TOS best, but like TNG too. Never watched any of it with any regularity.
I LIKE Star Trek and LOTR–but what I like about them both is different from most diehard fans. I’m not interested in the physics of ST or the geography or mythic beginnings of ME. I like the dynamics between the characters, as well as their responses to danger and other situations.
I’m not all that fond of Star Wars (except the original one which is no longer the first one, which is confusing).
And now back to the thread.
Worse that that, even – in the position of one of his crew (who are basically working-class stiffs, after all), I’d be thinking of how to sell some of the future tech and go live like a king on the proceeds.