Star Trek -- the "I saw it" thread **SPOILERS**

I saw it yesterday and really enjoyed it. My minor complaints, which I’m sure others have already mentioned:

  1. Even I, who know nothing about science, know that when you create a black hole the very next thing you do is get the heck out of there. So I didn’t really find it believable that they would just sit there watching the Romulan ship disintigrate.

  2. It didn’t make sense to me that after discovering that they had gone back in time, the Romulans would focus on revenging an event that hasn’t occurred yet, rather than try to stop it from happening.

  3. I thought the Uhura role was almost totally superfluous, and the scene where Zoe strips down to her underwear was completley gratuitous, if otherwise unobjectionable.

On the plus side: I thought the casting was absolutely great: Actors who respectfully nodded at their predecessors but didn’t merely mimic them. I thought the sets and costumes were a really good combination of the modern sensibility and the orginal Star Trek retro looks – again, referencing the original but not aping it. And the special effects were pretty cool.

Uhura was worth it for her interaction with Spock. True, she was mainly just “the girl”, but she played a crucial role in his development.

What should they have done - waited 129 years for their sun to go supernova again? The Nero saw it, they *were *preventing it: by destroying the Federation the Romulan Empire would be free to expand across space, and when the star went boom, the destruction of their planet (if they failed to prevent it), would be less of a loss.

Oh, I don’t know, but how about going home and trying to save and/or evacuate the planet? The whole thing about how hurt he was about the loss of his pregnant wife – it didn’t make any sense to me that he made absolutely no attempt to save her (them). Maybe you bought it, but I didn’t. Nobody said our experience of the movie had to be the same.

What’s he going to do? He’s a manual laborer over a hundred years in the past, and his world is gone. He can warn the Romulan government, sure, but it’s not his Romulus and it never will be. His friends and family aren’t even born yet, and by the time they will be, he’ll be old or dead.

I’d look up Myself Prime and write each other checks that couldn’t bounce. :slight_smile:

Uhm, by manual laborer do you mean Captain of a Starship made with experimental Borg technology (don’t ask me, apparently it’s in the prequel comic).

I never got the “manual laborer” vibe; at a minimum he showed he’s a more than competent captain of a starship. And I don’t really get the idea of “his Romulus” versus Romulus. Nor do I get the idea that because you personally will never know your child, therefore abandoning him or her (and everyone else) to their fate in favor of personal vengence becomes a reasonable thing to do. So, yeah, I guess my answer to “what’s he going to do?” is “try to prevent the destruction of Romulus.”

The fact that Nemo failed to do so remains for me one of the things that was not persuasive in the movie. Maybe I would have bought that more if they’d left out the whole thing with his pregnant wife. If he’d been that concerned about her, he’d have tried to save her. I think I’d have bought the whole vengeance uber alles thing more if they’d left the “boo hoo, I lost my family” part out of it. It’s not like Bana didn’t do a bang-up job of playing a psycho otherwise.

Nemo hated just about everyone because of the death of his family. It would have been a more poetic name than Nero.

Nothing I saw on film gives me reason to believe that anyone involved the authorship of this movie has ever read a book past the Spot & Jane level. They’d likely think that Nemo is no more than the name of a hapless clownfish.

Just got back. I thought it was a lot of fun. Not sure what was up with all the Uhura & Spock kissing. I thought maybe they were going to say it’s just customary in Uhura’s culture or something, but instead it looked like they wanted to make sure we don’t think Spock’s gay.

Did they ever say Uhura’s first name? It sounded like Spock said it in the transporter but I couldn’t hear.

Did everyone look really skinny, or was it just where I was sitting in the theater? It looked like they made all the actors get twenty pounds underweight.

I didn’t recognize Bana at all. I thought Nero was Noah Danby.

“Nyota.” I think Diane Duane coined it.

I only just found out about the comic today, so I have no idea what is said in it, but he identified himself as a miner in the film, and his ship isn’t made out to be anything special except that it’s all pointy and 150 years older than the ships it’s taking out left and right.

If modern day vessels were allowed to have defensive weaponry, I assume they’d make pretty short work of the ships from the latter half of the nineteenth century as well.

Except the thin characterization we were given doesn’t indicate he was particularly patriotic except at the end when he says he wants to destroy Earth and the Federation to die so that Romulus can grow without its influence. Before that, he was just pissed off that his family was taken from him.

I’m not arguing that this is logical or rational, and I would have preferred a different motivation or him focusing only on Vulcan instead of the Federation as a whole, but it still makes sense to me.

Good point.
Well taken.

Naw, actually it was pretty pointless.

Ha! Interesting typo on my part. :slight_smile: At least I got a giggle from the visual of Nemo, rage-filled and at the helm of the Romulan ship.

I think the reason people hate the Orion girl’s make-up is because her hair color clashed. And when she wore the bright red cadet uniform, it clashed even worse.

When I was watching it, I enjoyed it.
But the more I think about it, the more the plot-holes annoy me.

It didn’t really violate canon. Everybody knows that Star Trek always screws up the time-travel stories. :slight_smile:

It was a good summer popcorn movie. Better than some (Pearl Harbor) and not as good as others.
As far as the plot holes and canon goes I have a theory on this.
My Theory: The writers and producers are all huge Trek fans and as such and this being the first of a new series of movies they followed the ST movie prime directive.

All odd numbered Star Trek movies suckI am looking forward to the next one.

Nemesis belies that, though.

Actually I thought it was cool that for the first time you really understand how skilled and how essential Uhura is; she’s not just a switchboard operator but a multilingual intelligence officer as well.

What do the Star Trek people have against the Romulans? In the last movie, the crazy Reman Picard clone slaughters the Romulan government. In this one, the planet is destroyed.