# Star Trek (the new cinematic reboot) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 7, 2009, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-new-cinematic-reboot/492278 "2009-04-07T18:11:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2009, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-new-cinematic-reboot/492278/1 "2009-04-07T18:11:54Z")
The film [just premiered in Australia](http://www.thewrap.com/ind-column/2276). The word is good thus far… ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2009, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-new-cinematic-reboot/492278/2 "2009-04-07T18:40:41Z")
From the previews/trailers, this film looks embarrasingly bad, perfect Rifftrax fodder, TeenSpock should not have _emotions_, that is highly illogical… the only …ahem… logical …ahem… explanation would be that he hasn’t gone thru the Kohlinar discipline yet… ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2009, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-new-cinematic-reboot/492278/3 "2009-04-07T18:42:41Z")
> [@MacTech](#): > > TeenSpock should not have _emotions_, that is highly illogical… From my admittedly cursory understanding of the Star Trek universe and Spock’s character, that is in fact one hundred percent logical. ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2009, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-new-cinematic-reboot/492278/4 "2009-04-07T18:48:17Z")
> [@MacTech](#): > > the only …ahem… logical …ahem… explanation would be that he hasn’t gone thru the Kohlinar discipline yet… I realize this is a reboot and all, but why would he have gone through [Kolinahr](http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Kolinahr) as a teen in this reality when he waited until he was almost 40 in the previous? ---
**Author:** ![kasuo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8c91f0/32.png) [@kasuo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kasuo)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2009, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-new-cinematic-reboot/492278/5 "2009-04-07T18:49:04Z")
I like the _action-y_ look of this one, and it makes sense since the early days of the Federation exercised more of that “cowboy diplomacy.” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2009, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-new-cinematic-reboot/492278/6 "2009-04-07T18:51:14Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > From my admittedly cursory understanding of the Star Trek universe and Spock’s character, that is in fact one hundred percent logical. Absolutely. I don’t know what **MacTec** is talking about. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2009, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-new-cinematic-reboot/492278/7 "2009-04-07T18:52:34Z")
If this is the young Spock from “The Cage,” the one who defied Sarek and joined Starfleet instead of the Vulcan Science Academy, then he is still trying to find his way. He was “trying on” human emotions, if you will. Surely you recall Spock actually grinning in the pilot. It wasn’t a natural grin. It was the grin of a being who, while trained on Vulcan, found himself the lone Vulcan in Starfleet and thought that emotional displays would help him fit in with a largely human population. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2009, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-new-cinematic-reboot/492278/8 "2009-04-07T18:56:52Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > If this is the young Spock from “The Cage,” the one who defied Sarek and joined Starfleet instead of the Vulcan Science Academy, then he is still trying to find his way. He was “trying on” human emotions, if you will. Surely you recall Spock actually grinning in the pilot. It wasn’t a natural grin. It was the grin of a being who, while trained on Vulcan, found himself the lone Vulcan in Starfleet and thought that emotional displays would help him fit in with a largely human population. Good point, zefram! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2009, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-new-cinematic-reboot/492278/9 "2009-04-07T19:02:21Z")
Dammit, don’t you know that emotions will kill a Vulcan? ---
**Author:** ![slitterst](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecc23a/32.png) [@slitterst](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slitterst)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2009, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-new-cinematic-reboot/492278/10 "2009-04-07T19:10:43Z")
> [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](#): > > Dammit, don’t you know that emotions will kill a Vulcan? Dammit Jim, I’m a doctor, not a xenobiologist! ---
**Author:** ![TWDuke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@TWDuke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TWDuke)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2009, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-new-cinematic-reboot/492278/11 "2009-04-07T19:11:07Z")
And they never bluff. ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2009, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-new-cinematic-reboot/492278/12 "2009-04-07T19:21:36Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > Absolutely. I don’t know what **MacTec** is talking about. Maybe he meant to suggest that Spock is suffering from Trellium-D addiction. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2009, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-new-cinematic-reboot/492278/13 "2009-04-07T19:23:36Z")
> [@MacTech](#): > > From the previews/trailers, this film looks embarrasingly bad, perfect Rifftrax fodder, TeenSpock should not have _emotions_, that is highly illogical… > > the only …ahem… logical …ahem… explanation would be that he hasn’t gone thru the Kohlinar discipline yet… I have no idea what you’re talking about and I hope to God I never will. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2009, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-new-cinematic-reboot/492278/14 "2009-04-07T19:24:40Z")
To carry on further: Spock’s actions in “The Menagerie” were also driven by emotion. It was an act of compassion and friendship that led Spock to return Pike back to Talos IV, even as the whole court martial was an illusion engineered by the Talosians. ---
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2009, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-new-cinematic-reboot/492278/15 "2009-04-07T19:30:07Z")
Spock smiling in the pilot was most likely because the character details that made Nimoy into the Spock we recognize hadn’t been worked out yet. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2009, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-new-cinematic-reboot/492278/16 "2009-04-07T19:40:18Z")
> [@randwill](#): > > Spock smiling in the pilot was most likely because the character details that made Nimoy into the Spock we recognize hadn’t been worked out yet. I’m willing to buy that explanation. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2009, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-new-cinematic-reboot/492278/17 "2009-04-07T19:46:59Z")
Isn’t he also part of a species that “doesn’t lie because it’s illogical” when it is actually completely logical to lie in situations such as those that will cause your ass to get blow’d up for telling the truth? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2009, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-new-cinematic-reboot/492278/18 "2009-04-07T19:52:10Z")
> [@randwill](#): > > Spock smiling in the pilot was most likely because the character details that made Nimoy into the Spock we recognize hadn’t been worked out yet. But the other explanation is generally accepted among fandom. I’m aware of the production aspects of Star Trek, but they don’t help suspend the disbelief. Just as I prefer other explanations of the Klingons growing ridges in TMP than that of “they didn’t have the budget for makeup on the TV series.” I’d rather keep the two aspects separate when watching a TV show or motion picture or reading a novel (which in the case of Star Trek, I readily admit aren’t canon). I like explanations which add on into a backstory and get woven into the overall tapestry of something like Star Trek. ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2009, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-new-cinematic-reboot/492278/19 "2009-04-07T20:38:52Z")
The trailers really make it look like it’s completely mindless and stupid to boot (a ship without a chain of command? Come on!). I’ll reserve judgment, since I’m never willing to trust a trailer. But I’m not hopeful. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2009, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-new-cinematic-reboot/492278/20 "2009-04-07T20:39:44Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Isn’t he also part of a species that “doesn’t lie because it’s illogical” when it is actually completely logical to lie in situations such as those that will cause your ass to get blow’d up for telling the truth? > > -Joe No. He’s a part of a species that people erroneously believe don’t lie despite ample evidence that they do when there is a logical reason to do so. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-new-cinematic-reboot/492278.md?page=2)