# Star Trek: The old and the New **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 19, 2009, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-old-and-the-new/518169 "2009-11-19T17:38:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![caligulathegod](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/caligulathegod/32/9685_2.png) [@caligulathegod](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/caligulathegod)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2009, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-old-and-the-new/518169/101 "2009-11-25T06:03:38Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > I thought that the alternate reality was supposed to start at the time this first movie was made–not in the character’s childhoods, so all this abusive stepfather stuff, Kirk’s being a douche and not caring about his studies–it jars me. YMMV. The alternate reality started when the Romulans came through the Black Hole, at Kirk’s birth. > [@Eleanor\_of\_Aquitaine](#): > > Have you seen the remastered original series? We’ve been downloading the first season episodes from Netflix and they look fantastic. All the space scenes, like those frequent scene-bridging shots of the Enterprise orbiting a planet, have been replaced with CGI. They’ve even replaced the close-ups of the flip-mechanism chronometers with a digital display. Purists won’t like it, and I do wish the DVD sets included both the old and new versions, but we’ve been having fun looking for the changes. The Blu-ray set includes both and you can switch back and forth by hitting the angle button. Star Trek in high def is amazing. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2009, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-old-and-the-new/518169/102 "2009-11-25T07:09:47Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I don’t recall seeing any engineering areas in Star Wars save from the Millineum Falcon, however one spells it. The engineering must be pretty good, though, for the Emperor to be able to rescue Darth Vader in a matter of minutes. I’ll warrant Mr. Scott would love to get his hands on one of those wee bairns. 🙂 How _dare_ you, suh. Implying that the prequels had anything to do with Star Wars! Seriously, though, SW has always been grittier than ST. Roddenberry’s vision was of a utopian future, clean and proper. There were no garbage disposal units on the Enterprise, no open bulkheads with sparking wires held together by duct tape. The new ST movie hints at that, when space tech was still new enough that it resembles machinery as much as electronics and you could actually get greasy doing maintenance. If you like, I can reference _Firefly_ instead? ---
**Author:** ![EvilTOJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee59a6/32.png) [@EvilTOJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EvilTOJ)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2009, 8:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-old-and-the-new/518169/103 "2009-11-25T08:12:44Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I don’t recall seeing any engineering areas in Star Wars save from the Millineum Falcon, however one spells it. It’s spelled A-L-U-M-I-N-U-M ---
**Author:** ![Icerigger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icerigger/32/432_2.png) [@Icerigger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icerigger)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2009, 10:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-old-and-the-new/518169/104 "2009-11-25T10:08:19Z")
> [@](#): > > Roddenberry’s vision was of a utopian future, clean and proper. There were no garbage disposal units on the Enterprise, no open bulkheads with sparking wires held together by duct tape. There were hints of this in early episodes. In **Charlie X** you had two men in coveralls snaking a pipe down between decks and **Man Trap** had Uhura bitching to a couple of crewmen that her cabin door still rattles when it opens. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2009, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-old-and-the-new/518169/105 "2009-11-25T22:46:47Z")
> [@Icerigger](#): > > There were hints of this in early episodes. In **Charlie X** you had two men in coveralls snaking a pipe down between decks and **Man Trap** had Uhura bitching to a couple of crewmen that her cabin door still rattles when it opens. And don’t forget the Jeffries tubes, which was used in TOS fairly often. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2009, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-old-and-the-new/518169/106 "2009-11-26T03:02:35Z")
And in one episode, Kirk throws a phaser on overload down (essentially) a garbage shoot. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2009, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-old-and-the-new/518169/107 "2009-11-26T03:25:28Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > And in one episode, Kirk throws a phaser on overload down (essentially) a garbage shoot. Chute. Very punny. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2009, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-old-and-the-new/518169/108 "2009-11-26T04:17:38Z")
> [@squeegee](#): > > And don’t forget the Jeffries tubes, which was used in TOS fairly often. Can someone with better google-fu find that clip of Hoshi crawling through a tube and losing her shirt? Ah, \*Enterprise \*[panda](http://www.thepensivecitadel.com/2009/08/26/debbie-does-decon-enterprises-most-gratuitous-moments/). The good ole days ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2009, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-old-and-the-new/518169/109 "2009-11-26T06:08:02Z")
> [@Annie](#): > > Ah, \*Enterprise \*[panda](http://www.thepensivecitadel.com/2009/08/26/debbie-does-decon-enterprises-most-gratuitous-moments/). The good ole days Thanks, that was pretty funny. I never caught very much of the panda-fest that was (and no longer is) _Enterprise_. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2009, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-old-and-the-new/518169/110 "2009-11-26T15:59:12Z")
Just saw the reboot last night for the first time. Despite the “fun” factor and the sincere attempt to start fresh with a mostly clean slate, I am leaning towards thumbs-down. The plot makes no ultimate sense, the pace hardly lets up for a second, the motivations of the characters are uncertain if not self-contradictory, and there were a few too many deux-ex-machinas for my taste. I’m not as down on it as Skald is (say), but in more than a few ways it left me nonplussed and unmoved. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2009, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-old-and-the-new/518169/111 "2009-11-26T16:31:19Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Chute. Very punny. 🙂 \ We need a Vulcan emoticon. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-the-old-and-the-new/518169.md?page=5)