STAR TREK TOS: Does anybody believe that Starfleet actually had an order authorizing genocide?

IIRC, when the Enterprise is zapped in orbit, one of the officials says something like “There, it’s happened again, just like it did _______ years ago.” Wasn’t part of Kirk’s mission in AToA to investigate the disappearance of an earlier starship?

This does not compute. Engaging in snu-snu makes you gay? :dubious: :confused:

Point of order: The dialogue refers to Garth trying to destroy Antos Four (the implication being that he gave the order, his crew quite understandably refused to obey, and he would up in an asylum since he was clearly a few squares short of a 3D chessboard).

Either way, it doesn’t really help with the question of whether there is some official numerical code for “slag the planet”.

This thread caught my eye, if only because I just finished watching Galaxy Quest…

That does ring true

Yeah, she just screamed class in that role, and that made her extra sexy. Zoe… well… her sleeves were shorter…:dubious:

Zoe does get a gratuituous strip scene in the reboot movie, and whenever that happens it is A Good Thing. So there’s that

Looking up the script:

So an earlier-generation exploration vessel was lost to the Eminiar-Vendikar war – probably upon not noticing any active hostilities lowered their shields and were fired upon in the same way Anan tried against Enterprise. (Memory Alpha indicates that there were a lot of continuity snags with the ID of that USS Valiant in the offscreen written materials)

I would say bluff. ROE saying return fire if fired upon I could get behind. But no captain is worth glassing a planet for, its kinda the reason they are not supposed to go on away missions. As well, it does not make sense for an exporation vessel to have canned operations orders of that magnitude, without due consultations with higher.

Declan

But the whole point of TOS was that Cold War Earth was primitive and brutal, and that the Federation was better than that. In any case, a show filmed just a few years after Dr. Strangelove came out was well aware of the dangers of wacko commanders.

Hey, me too!

Maybe I should put some pants on…

Well, the Sarge did die in flagrante, but I wouldn’t say that Grace killed him. I mean, how much was the man’s poor heart supposed to take? The candle that burns twice as bright, etc.

I remember a scene from the episode after he died where Renko asks Capt. Furillo if it’s true how he died; it expressed a certain tragic reverence. I can’t find the scene or quote online, though.

To the best of my recollection:

[Phone rings at Joyce Davenport’s just as she and Frank are getting ready for bed. Renko’s at the other end, in a bar, half bombed.]

FURILLO: [Wearily] Yes, Andy, what can I do for you?

RENKO: Well, a bunch of us were just talkin’ about the Sarge, and we were wonderin’ … is it true what they’re sayin’ about how he died?

FURILLO: [Matter-of-factly] Yes, Andy, it’s true.

RENKO: [Delighted] How 'bout that! Thank you, Captain!

FURILLO: Good night, Andy. [Hangs up.]

JOYCE: … And a legend is born!

The Wiki entry mentions one, though confusingly it’s the oft-used USS Valiant.

Barbara Babcock made several appearances in TOS, on screen, and off as voice-over characters including Trelane’s mother, the Tholian Capt, Gary Seven’s computer & cat (just the purring, not its human form) etc.

Not only is it real but sisko actually carried it out in “For the Uniform” where the maquee led by traitorous officer Michael Eddington started using biogenic weapons against cardassian worlds to prevent cardassians from living there. Sisko responded by making a maquee world uninhabitable to humans. He said that their actions made the maquee an “intolerable threat to the federation” Which I assume is part of the language of general order 24.

They never make any reference to siskos actions even being questioned by Starfleet.

Here’s the planet in question: Solosos III | Memory Alpha | Fandom

Yeah, I remember that part of it, but I would have sworn that Renko also said something (either before or after the conversation with the Captain) admiring of the Sargeant’s prowess in the sack; that’s the bit I was trying to find.

A legend in her own right.

Just watched the episode again and at the end he even tells dax he didn’t bother clearing the plan with star fleet.

NM.

Nah, termites don’t care about your pants.

I vote its real but with a third option. Entertainment reflects the times it was created and this was the 60’s, still in the midst of the Cold War. Something like this was less crazy when you have drills for schoolkids that hiding from nuclear fallout is a real thing. But I have to believe that if we were to talk to anyone of authority for the franchise, they’d probably claim that its been retconned and it was a bluff all along. The Star Trek we know now, mostly influenced by TNG and the 90’s, are too positive to include such a thing. In universe and in real life, it is probably a remnant of a more paranoid time. I would be shocked if TNG-era Trek had such an order