# Star Trek (TOS) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, star-trek-paramount\ **Created:** [September 21, 2020, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-tos/921122 "2020-09-21T05:26:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2020, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-tos/921122/261 "2020-10-03T06:18:21Z")
> [@gdave](#): > > I was only looking at the first season episodes I recapped above. “Kirk seducing space babes” does definitely happen in later seasons, but interestingly it seems to be entirely absent from the first season. In one of the first season episodes Kirk says he is married to the Enterprise, which was what Roddenberry originally intended. The Ellison version of “City on the Edge of Forever” makes it clear that the relationship with Edith Keeler was special, which came through in the broadcast episode also. But then a bunch of writers wanted the same thing. Anyhow, don’t forget that Kirk had some fun times with the replica of his old girlfriend in “Shore Leave.” But I don’t think that counts. ---
**Author:** ![MrAtoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MrAtoz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrAtoz)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2020, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-tos/921122/262 "2020-10-03T13:01:18Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Well, he does at least [kiss 17 space-babes](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LqkbhW8Rb8), although a few are fantasies or under duress (cough) like Uhura. True, but as you say, some of them are under some kind of mental or physical compulsion, and a few are with women he was either currently (Edith Keeler) or previously (Ruth) in a serious relationship with. And a couple of them were androids, although granted Kirk didn’t know that at the time. Given 79 episodes total, smoochies in only 17 of them seems like a fairly low percentage for someone who’s supposed to be an inveterate ladies’ man. I wonder how Kirk’s ratio would compare to other TV action heroes of the day–Jim West or Napoleon Solo, for example. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2020, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-tos/921122/263 "2020-10-03T13:11:49Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > In _What Are Little Girls Made Of_ , Kirk kisses Andrea in an attempts to awaken some passion and confuse her. Maybe not a full-blown seduction, but definitely a “show me more of this Earth thing called ‘kissing’” moment. Good catch! It might not have been a full on seduction, but kissing an _android_ so well that it awakens womanly passions in her is definitely within the trope. Plus with that outfit, I think Andrea counts as a space babe. (I was misremembering the “kissing a female android to awaken her womanly passions” as having occurred in the Mudd android episode - or did he do it there as well?). So, I think we have one solid example of the trope in the first season. Not nearly as prevalent as the trope would have it, but it did occur. > [@Voyager](#): > > Anyhow, don’t forget that Kirk had some fun times with the replica of his old girlfriend in “Shore Leave.” But I don’t think that counts. I had forgotten that, but **terentiii** already reminded me upthread 😉. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2020, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-tos/921122/264 "2020-10-03T13:32:54Z")
Kirk didn’t seduce any of the female androids in “I, Mudd,” probably because he knew in advance they were androids. (Chekov was certainly interested in them, though.) He tried to mail Miranda Jones in “Is There In Truth No Beauty?” (I hate that episode! 😠 ), but she saw through his BS immediately. (Couldn’t have been too difficult, since she was telepathic.) Rayna in “Requiem for Methuselah” definitely had her womanly passions aroused, though I’ve always thought she was a genetic construct instead of a mechanical android. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2020, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-tos/921122/265 "2020-10-03T15:41:04Z")
Kirk had it so bad for Rayna that Spock had to mind meld with him and remove all the negative emotions associated with her. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2020, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-tos/921122/266 "2020-10-03T16:35:42Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > (Chekov was certainly interested in them, though.) Reminds me of that identity theft commercial from a long time ago: ‘My girl robot! Hee hee hee!’ ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2020, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-tos/921122/267 "2020-10-03T18:01:23Z")
Bugs Bunny and the robot bunny girl. “Heh. Mechanical.” Long pause. “So she’s mechanical!” and takes off chasing her. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2020, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-tos/921122/268 "2020-10-03T18:05:13Z")
[![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBf4oe3UA4s) ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-tos/921122/269 "2020-10-04T19:58:06Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > In “The Enemy Within,” we also saw the transporter can make “opposites” as well as duplicates, and we all know how _that_ turned out. > > Why couldn’t they have beamed down blankets and other unpowered survival gear to the landing party? Heaters wouldn’t work, but blankets and shelters presumably would. The situation was already stressful, you didn’t need the landing party getting two tents! ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-tos/921122/270 "2020-10-04T20:28:28Z")
Do you know what the penalty for puns is on Deneb IV? ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-tos/921122/271 "2020-10-04T23:27:44Z")
Death by snu-snu. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-tos/921122/272 "2020-10-04T23:29:11Z")
Oh, BABY!!! 😍 ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-tos/921122/273 "2020-10-08T03:44:33Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > Bugs Bunny and the robot bunny girl. “Heh. Mechanical.” Long pause. “So she’s mechanical!” and takes off chasing her. Well, to be fair, she [kissed him first](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX9f6l0YCYA). ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-tos/921122/274 "2020-10-08T04:55:43Z")
She didn’t even ask. When you’re a robot, they just let you. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-tos/921122/275 "2020-10-08T05:03:50Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > When you’re a robot, they just let you. I beg to differ. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 8:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-tos/921122/276 "2020-10-08T08:09:12Z")
Okay, finished with Season Two. Gotta say, I have a vague memory of seeing the final scene of _Assignment:Earth_. While I was most impressed at the time with the IBM Selectric that could type what you spoke (leading me to hope that one day my typing speed would exceed ten wpm), Terri Garr qualifies me to submit an entry in the “Who Was Your Childhood Crush?” thread. Since _Spock’s Brain_ was what got me started on this binge, I gave it a miss, and proceeded directly to _The Enterprise Incident_. ISTM that the Romulan commander set the Romulan Women’s movement back two or three centuries with her antics (even though Romulan/Vulcan space nookie was a little tame by ST:TOS standards), and she might do well to just defect when the Enterprise drops her off at a Starbase. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-tos/921122/277 "2020-10-08T14:11:23Z")
Considering that she’ll probably be put to death if returned to Romulus and Remus, that’s sound advice. “The _Enterprise_ Incident” is a terrible episode. It was rewritten so many times, it bears little (if any) resemblance to the original story (which was based on the USS _Pueblo_ incident), and it has holes big enough to slip a planet through. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-tos/921122/278 "2020-10-08T14:36:16Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Same reason the women all wore mini-dresses as uniforms and non-Federation women wore stripperific outfits - sex sells. > [@Broomstick](#): > > The truth is there were some absolutely wretched episodes. [Counselor Troi First Season](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/00/b0/c3/00b0c366a5dbfb5f2e99247fa16a9b0e.jpg) They actually started out the same way with Counselor Troi in the first season of the Next Generation. Marina Sirtis said she felt like “an intergalactic cheerleader” and was uncomfortable with the look. They toned it down fairly early on. I read at some point that the budget for the original series was wretchedly low. I’m amazed that they were even able to do what they did manage to do. I think it is unfair to judge the original series in a modern context because the succeeding series not only had the original concept to work off of but also a ton more money. I think the original series was a landmark venture and probably before its time. If it had come out immediately following the moon landing instead of in 1967, it might have had more money and a longer run. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-tos/921122/279 "2020-10-08T14:56:07Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > “The _Enterprise_ Incident” is a terrible episode. One thing I liked wasn’t in the episode but the Blish book. Kirk is questioning Starfleet’s plan to have him act crazy to run the Enterprise into Romulan space. He laments that if he did that enough, one day he might actually really go nuts and the crew would follow him blindly, figuring it’s just another secret mission. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-tos/921122/280 "2020-10-08T15:02:02Z")
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