# Star Trek (TOS) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, star-trek-paramount\ **Created:** [September 21, 2020, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-tos/921122 "2020-09-21T05:26:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2020, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-tos/921122/481 "2020-12-08T21:50:52Z")
No problemo. đź‘Ś ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2020, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-tos/921122/482 "2020-12-09T01:02:20Z")
Actually, I think it was “Isis was a Penthouse Pet.” ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2020, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-tos/921122/483 "2020-12-09T01:31:48Z")
Nope. Victoria Vetri, aka “Angela Dorian,” Miss September 1967 and 1968’s PMOY. WARNING: Link is NSFW! [https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjfET7GVAAAL2cS?format=jpg&name=360x360](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjfET7GVAAAL2cS?format=jpg&name=360x360) It’s now known that Human Isis was played by April Tatro, a professional contortionist, as was confirmed by the actual call sheet for the day she was filmed. > **[WHO is human Isis?: 50-year mystery is over, thanks to “The Trek Files”](https://larrynemecek.com/who-is-human-isis-50-year-mystery-is-over-thanks-to-the-trek-files/)** > > All it took was finding that one piece of paper. 50 years later. Finally, mystery solved: Who WAS Isis the cat in human form, from “Assignment: Earth”? Look, maybe you’re not a “podcast person.” But… I was never convinced it was Vetri. The resemblance between the two is negligible, if not nonexistent. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2020, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-tos/921122/484 "2020-12-09T01:50:10Z")
Four, if we count Marta the Orion in “Whom Gods Destroy”. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2020, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-tos/921122/485 "2020-12-09T01:53:41Z")
She came on to him, but the relationship was never consummated. But yeah, of all the alien chicks he nailed, she was the only one of color. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2020, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-tos/921122/486 "2020-12-09T15:48:18Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > Star Trek TOS cited in pro-Trump election lawsuit. The most apropos Star Trek TOS citation for Trump would be: > **Spock:** Captain, the speech follows no logical pattern. > **Kirk:** Random sentences strung together. > **McCoy:** He looks drugged, Jim. Almost at a cataleptic state. > –“Patterns of Force” ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2020, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-tos/921122/487 "2020-12-09T18:17:38Z")
That is an established capability of the transporter. Think of integrating the two Kirks in “The Enemy Within”. Crewman Daniels putting Archer’s consciousness into his own earlier body in an episode of “Enterprise” the title of which escapes me. And it was also done in Voyager with Captain Braxton in the episode “Relativity”. Essentially you have a single individual with two sets of memories. What happens to the “extra” matter? It probably gets shunted into some pocket of subspace to be recycled into the creation of transporter duplicates like Tom Riker. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2020, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-tos/921122/488 "2020-12-12T19:56:28Z")
I got Marc Cushman’s book - on page 479 he quotes D. C. Fontana about Tomorrow is Yesterday. [that episode] “actually spring-boarded off John D. F. Black,” … “There was a plan to do a Part 2 [of The Naked Time], but that never happened.” ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2020, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-tos/921122/489 "2020-12-12T20:15:50Z")
Huh. Given the existence of Justman’s memo and his griping that he was never compensated for it, I’d say that Dorothy, bless her heart, was misremembering. Either that, or the two men had the same idea at roughly the same time. I wonder what “TNT, Pt. 2”, would have been like.\* Didn’t Black write the original? \*Ignoring “The Naked Now” on _ **TNG** _. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2020, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-tos/921122/490 "2020-12-12T20:47:33Z")
Here’s D. C. Fontana talking about “Tomorrow is Yesterday” [- YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzjxLzkF3pk) and explicitly saying that there was a connection intended at one point to Naked Time. I’m going to check out Justman’s book to see what he says, too - but at least it’s clear that it’s not a fan theory (it may be a misremembering - but not a fan theory) ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2020, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-tos/921122/491 "2020-12-16T00:15:17Z")
I should note that Black wrote the foreword for Cushman’s book, which suggests the Black was available as a reference for statements about the history of “The Naked Time” ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2020, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-tos/921122/492 "2020-12-16T01:27:06Z")
Just to clarify: Cushman wrote _ **The Fifty-Year Journey** _? ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2020, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-tos/921122/493 "2020-12-16T01:39:58Z")
No, Cushman wrote “These are the Voyages” which has has an episode by episode rundown of the series. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2020, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-tos/921122/494 "2020-12-16T01:41:28Z")
OK, thanks! ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2020, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-tos/921122/495 "2020-12-16T11:43:10Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > That is an established capability of the transporter. Think of integrating the two Kirks in “The Enemy Within”. Crewman Daniels putting Archer’s consciousness into his own earlier body in an episode of “Enterprise” the title of which escapes me. And it was also done in Voyager with Captain Braxton in the episode “Relativity”. Essentially you have a single individual with two sets of memories. What happens to the “extra” matter? It probably gets shunted into some pocket of subspace to be recycled into the creation of transporter duplicates like Tom Riker. I don’t remember them beaming one Kirk into the other; I think they beamed them both up and they combined into one Kirk. And Braxton was using a 29th Century transporter that was an actual time travel device. But, really, the problem is not so much the beaming someone into themselves. It’s how there wasn’t another Enterprise there for him to see. The whole thing doesn’t seem to make much sense, which is what I think makes the transporter feel like a copout, like they couldn’t come up with a way to properly resolve it. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2020, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-tos/921122/496 "2020-12-16T14:54:22Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > The whole thing doesn’t seem to make much sense, Although one of my favorite episodes, it definitely doesn’t make any sense. So the Enterporise travels back in time, alters the past, shows up on the F104’s film, “kidnaps” a pilot and a security guard, feeds them, and then decides the way to fix it is travel back in time and undo it. But when they reach the point of their first arrival, THEY SHOULD BE THERE. Their past selves are still in the timeline. They should be able to see themselves. Beaming the people into themselves does nothing because the E still destroyed the F104 and kidnapped Christopher etc etc. You can’t handwave it away as some magical “closed time loop”, like Yesterday’s Enterprise, because everyone on the ship still remembers what happened. Everyone is older, chicken soup is missing from the ship’s supply, they still have the gun camera footage from the F104. An F104 that now is not only still intact, but has that same physical film, unexposed! There’s now more mass in the universe than there was before. On Yesterday’s Enterprise, the only way anyone knows that anything happened at all is Guinan, which is in essence magic. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2020, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-tos/921122/497 "2020-12-21T22:17:55Z")
Current status of my investigation of the connection, if any, between “The Naked Time” and “Tomorrow is Yesterday”: The early draft of Naked Time is called “The Naked Time, Part I” and has the Enterprise heading to Earth at the end of the episode - per this [The Naked Time](http://www.orionpressfanzines.com/articles/nakedtime.htm) D. C. Fontana (the credited writer for “Tomorrow is Yesterday” says that Naked Time was at one point intended to connect with TiY ([- YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzjxLzkF3pk)) “These are the Voyages, Vol 1” by Marc Cushman, which has a foreword by John Black (the writer of The Naked Time), also cites Fontana in reporting that the Naked Time and TiY were connected at one point (it also notes the striking similarities between a memo that Bob Justman wrote, outlining a story idea that sounds a lot like TiY, and not mentioning The Naked Time). “Inside Star Trek” by Solow and Justman go into more detail about how Justman’s originating of the idea for TiY, and does not discuss any possible connection with the Naked Time. My conclusions: 1. It looks like Fontana took Justman’s idea for TiY - possibly at Roddenberry’s direction. 2. Justman didn’t intend any connection between his idea for TiY and any other episode 3. It looks like Fontana did think about connecting Naked Time and TiY at some point around the time that Black was writing the first draft of Naked Time (Justman wouldn’t know about what Fontana was thinking). YMMV - but at least it’s clear that I’m not repeating a fan-myth. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2025, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-tos/921122/498 "2025-09-21T22:51:43Z")
I recently found these two articles > **[The Naked Cliffhanger — FACT TREK](https://www.facttrek.com/blog/naked)** > > “The Naked Time” is an all-time classic Star Trek episode memorable for characters going berserk and revealing their “naked” psyches. The episode ends with a “laws of physics”-defying bang as the starship restarts her engines cold in an “implosion”... and > **[The Naked Time Warp — FACT TREK](https://www.facttrek.com/blog/naked2)** > > We promised you a Part II about the convoluted production of “The Naked Time,” and here it is, out of a time warp of its own. That episode was filmed with a cliffhanger—subsequently scrapped. Whose idea was it? Who was supposed to write it? Why was... which take a very deep dive into the production of “The Naked Time” and “Tomorrow is Yesterday.” It reveals a very weird story - “The Naked Time” was originally filmed with a cliffhanger - but not one that linked to TiY; instead one that left the disease still affecting the crew, and the ship headed towards Earth in an uncontrolled fashion. They refilmed the ending, but though this ending might seem to fit with TiY, TiY is a separate story. It all has to do with conflicts between Roddenberry and John F. Black, and the pressures of a weekly programl ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-tos/921122/499 "2025-09-22T15:48:48Z")
> [@bump](#): > > I’m with you- if someone’s supposed to be playing a full-blooded Vulcan, they’re going to seem somewhat robotic or wooden to your average human, I was rereading this thread, now that it had been reaminated by routing the transporter thought the deflector dish and reversing the proton flow. Anyway, since this post was made we have had the benefit of Lower Decks’ T’Lyn, whose voice I originally thougt was done by AI, but the character is anything but robotic. I like her character a lot. It also helps believably that she’s not wearing a catsuit. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-tos/921122.md?page=24)