# Star Trek Voyager Question **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 6, 2000, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-voyager-question/35985 "2000-10-06T17:40:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2000, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-voyager-question/35985/21 "2000-10-06T21:22:04Z")
Ah, gee, spoiler to non USA viewers… > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Obvious Guy \* > \*\*the Borg Queen … was in fact talking to Janeway thru the hologram many light years away I would imagine. > > \*\* She was indeed in the Borg City ignoring the mechanical man behind the curtain. They showed the scene of downtown Borgville with all the ships and stuff before they showed her. If the Dominion could clone Weyoun, the Borg could clone her. I think my favorite DS9 lines were when Garik killed Weyoun number whatever: Shapeshifter :“That was the last Weyoun clone.” Garik: “I was hoping you’d say that.” ---
**Author:** ![Padeye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@Padeye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Padeye)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2000, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-voyager-question/35985/22 "2000-10-06T21:40:26Z")
This is spooky. I’m not a frequent ST watcher but saw enough to know this point was confusing so I called my personal Trek maven to ask about Borq Queen continuity. He said there was no continuity. What I really want to know, is that if the queen is completely mechanical from the neckline down as demonstrated in her entrance scene in _First Contact_, why does she have tits? * * * I’m ready for my closeup now Mr. LaForge. ---
**Author:** ![jovius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/91b2a8/32.png) [@jovius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jovius)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2000, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-voyager-question/35985/23 "2000-10-06T22:24:07Z")
Hey, I think the answer to the paradox (on why a queen keeps reappearing even though she’s killed many times) is that she is a manifestation of the collective. Remember in First Contact, she lashes out at Capt. Picard for thinking so 3D (or something like that)? Well, this goes beyond 3D, not thru time travel or super-teleportation. Rather, the mental manifestation of the collective as a representative of the collective is revived whenever the physical body of the queen dies. It’s similar to some of the insects colony (I don’t know, ants? Bees? I’m not a biologist but it’s something along this line). So when a queen dies, a new one is selected, except is the collective mind that is imported as part of her soul (or mind, or whatever). Cheers, jovius ---
**Author:** ![LazarusLong42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@LazarusLong42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LazarusLong42)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2000, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-voyager-question/35985/24 "2000-10-06T22:56:11Z")
**Jovius** is pretty close to correct. The reality of it is this: Borg Queen := Plot Device The writers needed a single “person” to show on screen as representing the Borg. They _could_ have gotten around creating her easily. When Picard was captured by the Borg (“Best of Both Worlds”), it was stated that it was basically for the purpose of having an emissary to humanity. When he was rescued, it makes sense that, perhaps, the Borg would create a “persona” to meet with people. But no… in “First Contact,” it’s stated that she was there when Picard was assimilated. \ All they needed to do was say that she was created _afterwards_ as an adaptation, and they would have lent a little bit of credibility to their Plot Device. What I find stupid about the Borg Queen is that–not just in “Unimatrix Zero” but in “Dark Frontier”, “Scorpion”, and “First Contact”–she gives orders. She gives orders to drones who are telepathically linked to her. Um… why? WHY? Oh… because the viewer “needs to know” what’s going on. Bring in the Plot Device. She has also been built up as being plainly evil, whereas the Borg are not evil, but rather mindless–or single-minded, as it were. They expand. They assimilate. They adapt to whatever stands in their way. The Queen, OTOH, plans, plots, and negotiates. She mindfucks Data. She taunts Janeway. She doesn’t act like a Borg. Why? Because she is a Plot Device. She is the worst thing that ever happened to the Borg. The _only_ explanation I can put to _any_ of her actions is that somehow the Borg Collective have been influenced by Lore’s plotting and scheming in “Descent.” But… no, in “First Contact” we’re told the Queen existed before that. Can anyone tell that the main reason I continue to watch _Star Trek_ is so I know what never, ever to do in my pwn science fiction? 🙂 LL ---
**Author:** ![fierra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/58956e/32.png) [@fierra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fierra)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2000, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-voyager-question/35985/25 "2000-10-06T23:23:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by stuffinb \* > \*\*Sorry **yojimbo** I wasn’t aware the Voyager was shown outside the states. \*\* > > * * * > > No, I haven’t heard about it for you see, Ive been on Mars, In a Cave, with my fingers in my ears sorry, stuffinb, but your sig is soooo appropriate after that comment! **yojimbo** , I have to say that it was fairly bloody obvious from the timing that it was a plan to leave the three behind. Otherwise, why hang around to make sure that they have been assimilated safely and thne disappear? For that matter, why send thenm across without propulsion weapons, batleths, daggers etc, if you don’t want them to get caught? That said, didn’t Janeway look old!! All scraggy. With those hooks in her forehead, it should have given her a facelift, not made her look 60! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-voyager-question/35985.md?page=1)