# Star Trek: Voyager **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 19, 2014, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-voyager/686473 "2014-04-19T06:35:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![nevadaexile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/eb8c5e/32.png) [@nevadaexile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nevadaexile)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2014, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-voyager/686473/61 "2014-04-21T19:40:25Z")
Another problem with Voyager (IMO) was the lack of sexual tension on the show. The entire series felt like it was created a for child audience who wouldn’t have understand that stranding a bunch of humans and humanoid lifeforms would have created a deal of stress and the desire to “relieve” that stress.Even Tuvok Pon’far period was treated in what seems to now be a quaint manner. With DS9’s writers, Voyager would have been much better as it would have been much more adult. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2014, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-voyager/686473/62 "2014-04-21T19:59:23Z")
> [@nevadaexile](#): > > Another problem with Voyager (IMO) was the lack of sexual tension on the show. The entire series felt like it was created a for child audience who wouldn’t have understand that stranding a bunch of humans and humanoid lifeforms would have created a deal of stress and the desire to “relieve” that stress.Even Tuvok Pon’far period was treated in what seems to now be a quaint manner. > > With DS9’s writers, Voyager would have been much better as it would have been much more adult. One of my favorite scenes is Tuvok discussing pan-far with a Vulcan experiencing it. They are standing side by side, but looking directly out a port rather than face each other while discussing such a subject. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2014, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-voyager/686473/63 "2014-04-21T20:46:27Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > One of my favorite scenes is Tuvok discussing pan-far with a Vulcan experiencing it. > They are standing side by side, but looking directly out a port rather than face each other while discussing such a subject. That’s because they are originally from Minnesota. You betchya. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2014, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-voyager/686473/64 "2014-04-21T20:51:03Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > That’s because they are originally from Minnesota. You betchya. Ah. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-voyager/686473/65 "2014-04-22T11:08:45Z")
Season 6 in general is disappointing after the spectacular 4th and 5th seasons. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-voyager/686473/66 "2014-04-22T16:13:49Z")
> [@Tanbarkie](#): > > Voyager suffered from the some of the worst of the late-Berman era issues with Trek as a franchise - a scattered devotion to certain aspects of Roddenberry’s utopianism, the last gasps of purely episodic dramatic television (weirdly combined with a plot premise that just begs for continuity), and a studio-mandated blandness to the acting that severely limited the ability of the cast to really dig into their characters. What do you mean “studio-mandated blandness”? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Tanbarkie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a698b9/32.png) [@Tanbarkie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanbarkie)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-voyager/686473/67 "2014-04-22T17:17:56Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > What do you mean “studio-mandated blandness”? :dubious: As **Nonsuch** mentioned earlier in the thread, Berman had the actors deliberately underplay their parts - because, y’know, that was so characteristic of previous Trek series, which featured such paragons of subtlety as William Shatner, Jonathan Frakes, and Avery Brooks. :rolleyes: “Voyager,” unfortunately, took the brunt of this shift in “studio style,” which mostly happened after Roddenberry passed away. DS9 managed to skirt its away around the restriction because it was the red-headed stepchild of the Trek franchise, and Berman’s attention was mostly consumed with either TNG or Voyager during its run. Not coincidentally, DS9 also features some of the best acting, and certainly the most vibrant cast, of any of the Trek series. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-voyager/686473/68 "2014-04-22T17:45:11Z")
One objection I do have about Voyager is be becoming _The Seven Of Nine Sho_w in the final season. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-voyager/686473/69 "2014-04-22T18:29:46Z")
I think Voyager and Enterprise are helped by the separation of time between now and regular appearing Trek. I lambasted Enterprise at the time, and now when I go back and watch episodes, I find a lot to enjoy. Mostly, I like how all the little things we take for granted in TOS-TNG Trek aren’t common-place in Enterprise. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-voyager/686473/70 "2014-04-22T18:30:49Z")
> [@nevadaexile](#): > > Another problem with Voyager (IMO) was the lack of sexual tension on the show. The entire series felt like it was created a for child audience who wouldn’t have understand that stranding a bunch of humans and humanoid lifeforms would have created a deal of stress and the desire to “relieve” that stress.Even Tuvok Pon’far period was treated in what seems to now be a quaint manner. > > **With DS9’s writers, Voyager would have been much better as it would have been much more adult**. It’s called Battlestar Galactica. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-voyager/686473/71 "2014-04-22T18:39:00Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > It’s called Battlestar Galactica. Yeah, God did it. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Bakhesh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Bakhesh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bakhesh)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-voyager/686473/72 "2014-04-22T18:48:51Z")
BSG isn’t really a fair comparison, because it came after Voyager and knew exactly what had gone wrong with that show. A better comparison is Farscape, which ran concurrently to Voyager, and had pretty much an identical premise. I know not everyone likes Farscape, but you cannot deny it took a hell of a lot more risks than Voyager ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-voyager/686473/73 "2014-04-22T18:53:26Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Yeah, God did it. > :rolleyes: But the TrekVerse is lousy with gods. Hell, a recurring element of Voyager was Janeway’s stupidly NOT asking the local god for a ride home. ---
**Author:** ![Bakhesh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Bakhesh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bakhesh)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-voyager/686473/74 "2014-04-22T18:54:50Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > But the TrekVerse is lousy with gods. Hell, a recurring element of Voyager was Janeway’s stupidly NOT asking the local god for a ride home. Why would God need a starship? ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-voyager/686473/75 "2014-04-22T18:56:48Z")
> [@Bakhesh](#): > > Why would God need a starship? Why do you say such things, when you know I will kill you for it? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-voyager/686473/76 "2014-04-22T19:08:50Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > But the TrekVerse is lousy with gods. Hell, a recurring element of Voyager was Janeway’s stupidly NOT asking the local god for a ride home. The authors of Voyager had time travel and an idea to end the series, they did not need _deus ex machina._ :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Q](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/898d66/32.png) [@Johnny\_Q](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Q)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-voyager/686473/77 "2014-04-22T19:19:24Z")
Somehow [this](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bBD5yyT-s0) seems appropriate. Work safety iffy. ---
**Author:** ![nevadaexile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/eb8c5e/32.png) [@nevadaexile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nevadaexile)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-voyager/686473/78 "2014-04-22T19:31:32Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > But the TrekVerse is lousy with gods. Hell, a recurring element of Voyager was Janeway’s stupidly NOT asking the local god for a ride home. Yes, it seems odd that she wouldn’t have asked any of the Q’s that she encountered for little extra “Oomph” on the voyage home. Or looked for another Caretaker. Or stopped for a while and concentrated on making the Borg transwarp technology work somehow. Coupled with the Maquis crew members tolerating her rather shortsighted decision to strand them in the Delta Quadrant (after all, **they** weren’t in Star Fleet) and not mutinying against her command, the series never explains why anybody would have been “satisfied” with the spending the remainder of their lives on board a vessel slowly traveling home. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-voyager/686473/79 "2014-04-22T19:43:57Z")
> [@nevadaexile](#): > > Yes, it seems odd that she wouldn’t have asked any of the Q’s that she encountered for little extra “Oomph” on the voyage home. Didn’t Q move them quite a bit towards home in gratitude for something or other? ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-voyager/686473/80 "2014-04-22T20:04:04Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Didn’t Q move them quite a bit towards home in gratitude for something or other? Not that I recall, but they did get several boosts along the way, each on the order of 10,000 light-years. I think Q giving them a boost of less than the entire journey would have been just jerkish. Obviously he COULD have sent them home at any time. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-voyager/686473.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-voyager/686473.md?page=5)