# Star Trek XI? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 23, 2004, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-xi/241664 "2004-04-23T16:34:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2004, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-xi/241664/1 "2004-04-23T16:34:36Z")
> [@trektoday.com](#): > > Star Trek producer Rick Berman today revealed he has started work on what could eventually become Star Trek XI. > > “I am involved in the very early stages of what could be the next Star Trek movie,” Berman told the British Dreamwatch Magazine (via TrekWeb). “It’s something I will be producing with two other producers.” > > Berman was unwilling to reveal anything about the film’s plot beyond saying the film would be “a prequel.” This fits in with comments over the past few months from several Next Generation actors, who felt that the disappointing box office results of Star Trek: Nemesis spelled the end of TNG as a film franchise. Of course, discussions fo the next Trek movie project are still in the very early stages, and the concept may yet change entirely. > > In addition to the next Trek film, Berman revealed to Dreamwatch magazine that he is currently working with fellow Star Trek: Enterprise creator Brannon Braga on a science fiction series set outside the Trek universe. Trekweb speculated that if project would indeed be picked up by studio Paramount for development as a full-fledged series, Berman and/or Braga might play a reduced role in Enterprise’s fourth season. Now, anyone that reads most of the Trek threads posted on here knows that I’m usually one of the fans saying that they should keep going as long as they want to… that they’ll always have some sort of fanbase for future shows and movies, but Christ, even I am getting tired of this. If you’re going to put a hold on the TNG movie franchise, put a hold on the movie franchise, period. Or, if nothing else, go with a DS9 or VOY movie instead of **another** fucking prequel. WE DON’T WANT THEM. Can someone please initiate a hostile takeover of the Trek franchise? Please? I’m really starting to tire of Berman and Braga. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2004, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-xi/241664/2 "2004-04-23T20:34:05Z")
I’ve always thought a _DS9_ movie or two would be cool. I’d rather there not be any _Voyager_ movies though. ---
**Author:** ![Ross](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e274bd/32.png) [@Ross](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ross)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2004, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-xi/241664/3 "2004-04-23T21:54:33Z")
Tina Turner: We don’t need another prequel… Ahaha. ---
**Author:** ![GrandfatherTrout](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f17d59/32.png) [@GrandfatherTrout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandfatherTrout)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2004, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-xi/241664/4 "2004-04-23T21:59:47Z")
Hey, yeah! A _DS9_ movie! Bring Sisko back out of the wormhole and let him get on with his life, already… ---
**Author:** ![kevin242](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b77776/32.png) [@kevin242](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kevin242)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2004, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-xi/241664/5 "2004-04-23T22:55:09Z")
I’d like to see a prequel. TNG franchise is dead in the water and DS9 and Voyager never appealed to me. Enterprise is alright, but it doesnt even beat Smallville in the ratings (or for me, I watch it when Smallville’s season is over) I think they really need to bring back TOS. The real spirit of Star Trek is Kirk, Spock, Bones, Scotty etc… the only way to do this at this late date is to bring in new actors and do the whole “Starfleet Acadamy” thing they have been toying with for years. kvn ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2004, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-xi/241664/6 "2004-04-23T23:20:09Z")
DS9 has such great potential for a movie. Sisko could come out of the wormhole, and have all sorts of magical asskicking powers. There could be a subplot about Bajor finally joining the federation. And a big DS9-style space battle, and CARDASSIANS! And the Odo & Quark show. And Kira and Ezri getting nekkid and… ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2004, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-xi/241664/7 "2004-04-24T00:16:29Z")
Nemesis didn’t flop because it was TNG. Nemesis flopped because it was a piece of shit. And Nemesis was a piece of shit because Berman and Braga are hacks. End of story. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2004, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-xi/241664/8 "2004-04-24T00:18:41Z")
My apologies. Braga had nothing to do with Nemesis. Nemesis flopped because Berman’s a hack. Braga’s still a hack, too…he just isn’t responsible for Nemesis’s floppiness. ---
**Author:** ![cstamets](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/958977/32.png) [@cstamets](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cstamets)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2004, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-xi/241664/9 "2004-04-24T00:21:36Z")
I’ll toss in the obligatory Captain Sulu and the Excelsior request… I still think that could make an excellent story and fill in some of the gap between TOS and TNG. ---
**Author:** ![Diceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Diceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diceman)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2004, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-xi/241664/10 "2004-04-24T02:12:39Z")
God, not a prequel. Why do they feel the need to go back and mess up the franchise’s history? _Enterprise_’s dismal ratings tells you all you need to know about the fanbase’s attitude toward prequels. Berman and Braga need to go away. Maybe we can get Geordi to drop them into a spacial anomaly or something 😉 ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2004, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-xi/241664/11 "2004-04-24T02:23:36Z")
my God, Nemesis was SOOO much better than either V or Generations or IX (which I enjoyed)- it was intricate & dramatic & had a cool villian & Picard at his best & Data (spoiler almost included)…uh, singing- yeah Data did sing anyway, I liked it & think it got way too much crap BUT I’d love to see a DS9 movie! ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2004, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-xi/241664/12 "2004-04-24T02:34:54Z")
Well, okay. I’ll give you “better than V”. But then, that’s like saying that _Heaven’s Gate_ was better than _Manos_. ---
**Author:** ![Diceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Diceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diceman)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2004, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-xi/241664/13 "2004-04-24T03:02:55Z")
I have to agree with **FriarTed**. _Nemesis_ is greatly underrated. It’s no _Wrath of Kahn_, but it’s not a bad movie. I think everyone just hates it because of Data…er…you know. ---
**Author:** ![kingpengvin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9dc877/32.png) [@kingpengvin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kingpengvin)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2004, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-xi/241664/14 "2004-04-24T03:05:15Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Well, okay. I’ll give you “better than V”. But then, that’s like saying that _Heaven’s Gate_ was better than _Manos_. It wasn’t that bad, sure there were lameoid moments but over all it was the second best TNG film. Mind you this whole idea reeks to high heaven… let’s just bury the Trek Corpse and stop parading it about. It is looking worn out and it starting to stink badly. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d26b3c/32.png) [@Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Blue_Sky)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2004, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-xi/241664/15 "2004-04-24T03:14:13Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > But then, that’s like saying that _Heaven’s Gate_ was better than _Manos_. Blasphemy! Just wait til the Master returns. ---
**Author:** ![ReuvenB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9fc348/32.png) [@ReuvenB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ReuvenB)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2004, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-xi/241664/16 "2004-04-24T03:18:48Z")
> [@Diceman](#): > > I have to agree with **FriarTed**. _Nemesis_ is greatly underrated. It’s no _Wrath of Kahn_, but it’s not a bad movie. I think everyone just hates it because of Data…er…you know. _covers ears and hums_ Never happened, never happened, never happened… ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2004, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-xi/241664/17 "2004-04-24T03:22:39Z")
> [@Diceman](#): > > I have to agree with **FriarTed**. _Nemesis_ is greatly underrated. It’s no _Wrath of Kahn_, but it’s not a bad movie. I think everyone just hates it because of Data…er…you know. Not only was it a pretty bad movie but it was a pretty bad Trek movie for a variety of reasons. The motivation for the main villain was pretty weak and Trek writers proved yet again that they cannot write a decent death for their characters. Marc ---
**Author:** ![Call\_me\_Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/90ced4/32.png) [@Call\_me\_Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Call_me_Frank)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2004, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-xi/241664/18 "2004-04-24T03:30:01Z")
Perhaps some good will come of it… if Berman and Braga take a reduced role in Enterprise’s 4th season, perhaps that will allow some new talent to come in. As for Nemesis - as soon as I learned that the writer was a fan, I had my worries…I don’t trust my fellow Star Trek fans, I’m sorry 😃 But I wish they wouldn’t consider the series dead as far as movies go…TOS recoverd from Star Trek V well enough, imho. Finally for the OP - _NOOOOOOOOO_, I think Douglas Adams said it very well when he said something like “Humans are a remarkable species in that they are able to learn from their mistakes, but they are even more remarkable for their refusal to do so” (I know I slaughtered that, but…didn’t feel like looking it up) Anyway, hasn’t anyone learned from the “mistakes” that the SW prequels seem to be? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2004, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-xi/241664/19 "2004-04-24T03:38:48Z")
> [@Call me Frank](#): > > Anyway, hasn’t anyone learned from the “mistakes” that the SW prequels seem to be? And those even had their original creator at the helm (so to speak). ---
**Author:** ![drewbert](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drewbert/32/15890_2.png) [@drewbert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewbert)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2004, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-xi/241664/20 "2004-04-24T04:04:40Z")
I’d like a DS9 movie, but only if it’s actually good. I’d rather have no DS9 movie than a crappy one. And I’m afraid that any attempt would end up being one big two-hour long contrivance to get all the characters in one place again. Here’s hoping B&B will hand over Enterprise to someone worthy while they busy themselves with a movie and this other non-Trek series. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-trek-xi/241664.md?page=2)