# Star Wars Episode III: Revenge fo the Sith. Couple Questions..... **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 7, 2005, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-iii-revenge-fo-the-sith-couple-questions/283607 "2005-01-07T17:54:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-iii-revenge-fo-the-sith-couple-questions/283607/1 "2005-01-07T17:54:01Z")
_I have never read the books_ Episode III due in theaters May 19th: From the MSN article: > [@](#): > > Are you ready? The final “Star Wars” movie is less than six months away… and there are so many questions that need to be answered. How does Anakin Skywalker (Hayden Christensen) finally descend into the dark side and become Darth Vader? What happens to Padme (Natalie Portman), the mother of Luke and Leia? Will Yoda kick more butt? How will Mace Windu (Samuel L. Jackson) get it in the end? And how do the Wookies (who look cooler than ever) fit into all this? I’m remembering the end of Attack of the Clones: When Anakin is fighting with Obi Won and Yoda comes to save the day. Anakin get’s his forearm cut off, and Dooko gets away. How is Anakin supposedly going to turn into the Dark Sith Lord? The photo [here](http://movies.msn.com/movies/2005preview?GT1=6065) shows him with Sith Eyes. Is the legacy of the Sith supposed to change him physically? Maybe I am asking that in the wrong way…Is Anakin a sith already? Or does the Dark Side of the Force have something to do with his transmutation? Eitherway, I am very excited to see the movie. Anyone want to take a stab at what plot themes will arise? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-iii-revenge-fo-the-sith-couple-questions/283607/2 "2005-01-07T18:13:18Z")
Note-my info comes from the spoiler forums at [TheForce.Net](http://theforce.net). We do see the Darth Vader costume, but only towards the very end, and only briefly. Anakin is starting to go towards the Dark Side, but when he leaves the Jedi and becomes a full-time Sith isn’t clear, as of yet. We haven’t had an explanation about The Eyes yet. Some think it might be a dream Padme has, or a moment when Anakin truly embraces the Dark Side or whatever. I dunno. I hope this helps. Stop by the Jedi Council boards at TFN some time. There are TONS of theories going around! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-iii-revenge-fo-the-sith-couple-questions/283607/3 "2005-01-07T18:27:45Z")
> [@Phlosphr](#): > > How is Anakin supposedly going to turn into the Dark Sith Lord? The photo [here](http://movies.msn.com/movies/2005preview?GT1=6065) shows him with Sith Eyes. Is the legacy of the Sith supposed to change him physically? Maybe I am asking that in the wrong way…Is Anakin a sith already? Or does the Dark Side of the Force have something to do with his transmutation? Thousands of years before the first movie, a schism in the Jedi Order led to warfare between light and dark side practicioners. During this period, the Dark Jedi found a planet inhabited by alien humanoids who had a natural affinity for the Dark Side. These aliens were the Sith, and they were enslaved and used as soldiers by the Dark Jedi, who took the title “Sith Lord” for themselves. After centuries of warfare, the Sith were wiped out. By the time of the first movie, they have been extinct for millenia. Some Dark Jedi still call themselves Sith Lords out of tradition, but the title is effectively meaningless now. So Anakin isn’t “already” a Sith, any more than he’s already a Wookie. His physical transformation is due to his reliance of Dark side energies to defeat his enemies. The Dark side of the Force is destructive and degenerative. Use of the Dark side gradually destroys the force user, warping and rotting his body. The eyes, apparently, are the first thing to go. ---
**Author:** ![JustPlainBryan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/57b2e6/32.png) [@JustPlainBryan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JustPlainBryan)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-iii-revenge-fo-the-sith-couple-questions/283607/4 "2005-01-07T18:43:04Z")
I’m looking forward to finding out how Grand Moff Tarkin got his start and why it seems like he can control Vader in Episode 4, even though the Force was not strong with him. I think his story, and the evolution of his doctrine of “Rule by Fear”, would make for a fascinating story by itself. I’m also looking forward to seeing how Mon Mothma became involved with forming The Rebellion. Hopefully both will be touched upon in Episode 3. ---
**Author:** ![carlb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carlb/32/5930_2.png) [@carlb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carlb)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-iii-revenge-fo-the-sith-couple-questions/283607/5 "2005-01-07T19:13:35Z")
I want to see if Lucas screws up the continuity again by having Padme die by the end of the movie. According to Leia in ROTJ, she remembered her mother, albeit not well. It would be just like Lucas to kill Padme, thereby rendering a nice WTF? moment in “Jedi.” In the past, Samuel L. Jackson has said that one of his conditions for playing Mace Windu was that he die in a blaze of glory (I think he actually told Lucas something like, “I won’t die like a pussy.”), so that part ought to be fun to watch. I don’t have a problem with Tarkin’s “control” over Vader in ANH. I always assumed that the Emporer sent Vader to the Death Star as his representative, but nominally under Tarkin’s command. Sort of as an insurance policy - he could get rid of Tarkin if he screwed up too badly. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-iii-revenge-fo-the-sith-couple-questions/283607/6 "2005-01-07T19:27:48Z")
> [@carlb](#): > > I don’t have a problem with Tarkin’s “control” over Vader in ANH. I always assumed that the Emporer sent Vader to the Death Star as his representative, but nominally under Tarkin’s command. Sort of as an insurance policy - he could get rid of Tarkin if he screwed up too badly. I just got my Star Wars trilogy DVDs the other day and was thinking about this while I watched Episode IV. I don’t think Tarkin was controlling him, either. Everyone on the Death Star (except the smartass in the conference room) all seemed to fear Vader. I’m sure that if Tarkin started doing something really stupid, Vader would have stepped up and thrown him in the brig (or just choked him to death) and would have seized full control. ---
**Author:** ![JustPlainBryan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/57b2e6/32.png) [@JustPlainBryan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JustPlainBryan)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-iii-revenge-fo-the-sith-couple-questions/283607/7 "2005-01-07T19:40:52Z")
> [@Lord Ashtar](#): > > I just got my Star Wars trilogy DVDs the other day and was thinking about this while I watched Episode IV. I don’t think Tarkin was controlling him, either. Everyone on the Death Star (except the smartass in the conference room) all seemed to fear Vader. I’m sure that if Tarkin started doing something really stupid, Vader would have stepped up and thrown him in the brig (or just choked him to death) and would have seized full control. That is perhaps true, but the one thing I find telling is the following exchange from episode 4: Vader (while choking a commander at the conference table): I find you’re lack of faith disturbing. Tarkin: Enough of this! Vader, release him! Vader (releases the choke): As you wish. Tarkin imperiously commands Vader (not even Lord Vader!) to do something. My feeling is that at the time, Tarkin was far more influential with the Emperor than Vader, even though Vader was a Sith Lord. Tarkin must have been one hell of of a ruthless person to be better buddies with the Emperor than Vader was. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-iii-revenge-fo-the-sith-couple-questions/283607/8 "2005-01-07T19:52:59Z")
> [@JustPlainBryan](#): > > how Grand Moff Tarkin got his start and why it seems like he can control Vader Probably all the Hammer movies he made with Count Dooku. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Murcielago](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/da6949/32.png) [@Murcielago](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Murcielago)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-iii-revenge-fo-the-sith-couple-questions/283607/9 "2005-01-07T20:14:57Z")
> [@JustPlainBryan](#): > > My feeling is that at the time, Tarkin was far more influential with the Emperor than Vader, even though Vader was a Sith Lord. Tarkin must have been one hell of of a ruthless person to be better buddies with the Emperor than Vader was. Yeah, the Sith powers may be powerful and intimidating to the individual, but any successful dictatorship must rely heavily on an effective bureaucracy to maintain order throughout the empire. A guy willing to destroy an entire planet for little more than spite (as he did with Alderan) would be an effective tool. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-iii-revenge-fo-the-sith-couple-questions/283607/10 "2005-01-07T20:23:44Z")
> [@carlb](#): > > I want to see if Lucas screws up the continuity again by having Padme die by the end of the movie. According to Leia in ROTJ, she remembered her mother, albeit not well. It would be just like Lucas to kill Padme, thereby rendering a nice WTF? moment in “Jedi.” Well, in all fairness, Leia was (unknowingly) adopted, so it wouldn’t be inconsistent for Padme to die and have Leia’s memories be of her adopted mother (though that would make her conversation with Luke in _Jedi_ a bit pointless). ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-iii-revenge-fo-the-sith-couple-questions/283607/11 "2005-01-07T20:25:31Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > By the time of the first movie, they have been extinct for millenia. IIRC, anything Star Wars is canon and wasn’t there a Sith in the Star Wars: Clone Wars animated series? ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-iii-revenge-fo-the-sith-couple-questions/283607/12 "2005-01-07T20:40:15Z")
> [@JustPlainBryan](#): > > Tarkin imperiously commands Vader (not even Lord Vader!) to do something. My feeling is that at the time, Tarkin was far more influential with the Emperor than Vader, even though Vader was a Sith Lord. Tarkin must have been one hell of of a ruthless person to be better buddies with the Emperor than Vader was. I’d suspect that in most military command structures, if one of your reports strangles another, you’d at least send him to bed without any supper. In this case, after the rather snotty “as you wish” nothing more is made of it. Vader isn’t and doesn’t even want to be in control of the Death Star, which he isn’t too impressed with anyway, but he is only nominally under the command of Tarkin. I wonder if Vader had a premonition that the DS was going to get it, and left Tarkin to go boom. ---
**Author:** ![SilentButDeftly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/0ea827/32.png) [@SilentButDeftly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SilentButDeftly)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-iii-revenge-fo-the-sith-couple-questions/283607/13 "2005-01-07T20:45:12Z")
> [@carlb](#): > > I want to see if Lucas screws up the continuity again by having Padme die by the end of the movie. According to Leia in ROTJ, she remembered her mother, albeit not well. It would be just like Lucas to kill Padme, thereby rendering a nice WTF? moment in “Jedi.” The speculation that I’d heard is that… (Man, I can’t believe I’m putting fanboy speculation in a spoiler box, but here we go… Padme dies shortly after giving birth, but she holds Leia for a few moments first, dying with Leia in her arms So that’s Leia’s brief memory of her mommy. ---
**Author:** ![Athena](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/35a633/32.png) [@Athena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Athena)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-iii-revenge-fo-the-sith-couple-questions/283607/14 "2005-01-07T20:50:47Z")
> [@SilentButDeftly](#): > > The speculation that I’d heard is that… (Man, I can’t believe I’m putting fanboy speculation in a spoiler box, but here we go… Padme dies shortly after giving birth, but she holds Leia for a few moments first, dying with Leia in her arms So that’s Leia’s brief memory of her mommy. That doesn’t make any sense. Infants don’t have memories. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-iii-revenge-fo-the-sith-couple-questions/283607/15 "2005-01-07T21:00:48Z")
> [@Athena](#): > > Infants don’t have memories. They probably do. There’s some evidence that even fetuses might have memories. ---
**Author:** ![SilentButDeftly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/0ea827/32.png) [@SilentButDeftly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SilentButDeftly)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-iii-revenge-fo-the-sith-couple-questions/283607/16 "2005-01-07T21:17:29Z")
> [@Captain Amazing](#): > > They probably do. There’s some evidence that even fetuses might have memories. \ Jedi babies have amazing memories. 'cause of the midichlorians and stuff. \ ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-iii-revenge-fo-the-sith-couple-questions/283607/17 "2005-01-07T21:34:53Z")
Interesting. Leia and her mom both go for the bad boys: Leia for Luke and Padme for Anakin. ---
**Author:** ![dotchan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9d8465/32.png) [@dotchan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dotchan)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-iii-revenge-fo-the-sith-couple-questions/283607/18 "2005-01-07T21:45:11Z")
Uh, don’t you mean Han Solo? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-iii-revenge-fo-the-sith-couple-questions/283607/19 "2005-01-07T22:00:47Z")
> [@dotchan](#): > > Uh, don’t you mean Han Solo? :dubious: Oh, yeah, meant Han, said Luke. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2005, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-iii-revenge-fo-the-sith-couple-questions/283607/20 "2005-01-07T22:05:19Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > …\… > I wonder if Vader had a premonition that the DS was going to get it, and left Tarkin to go boom. I think that is precisely what happened. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-iii-revenge-fo-the-sith-couple-questions/283607.md?page=2)