# Star Wars Episode III. Revenge Of The Sith. Primer. **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 23, 2005, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-iii-revenge-of-the-sith-primer/295827 "2005-03-23T02:42:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2005, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-iii-revenge-of-the-sith-primer/295827/41 "2005-03-25T21:19:03Z")
Speaking of wacky facial features, what’s up with Qui-Gon Jin in Clone wars? What a shnozz! (then again, when the heck did the scene he’s shown in actually happen?! Degobah? What?) ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2005, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-iii-revenge-of-the-sith-primer/295827/42 "2005-03-25T21:21:35Z")
Sifo Dyas placed the order without notifying anybody else on the “good guy” side that we know of. We don’t really know who paid in the end. Did the cloners say that they had been, or still needed to be paid, in Ep2? ---
**Author:** ![zamboniracer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9a140/32.png) [@zamboniracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zamboniracer)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2005, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-iii-revenge-of-the-sith-primer/295827/43 "2005-03-25T21:40:40Z")
> [@Winston Bongo](#): > > \ > > Surely Dooku didn’t finance a buttload of cloned soldiers by selling his original Jedi Knight Membership Badge and Decoder Ring on eBay? > > ("L@@OK! MINT C-9 condition! Free shipping for Trade Fed members, AWESOME addition to yor jedi collection NO RESERVE!!!) Just imagine what a mint condition B.Fett cloned action figure in the original shipping box would fetch. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2005, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-iii-revenge-of-the-sith-primer/295827/44 "2005-03-25T21:41:55Z")
> [@Apos](#): > > Problem is, we’ve seen Sidious and Palpatine’s mouths look different during the same time periods. Take the new Clone Wars eps. Maybe it’s a mistake, but their mouths are radically different, even shown during what can only be, at most, days apart. I still haven’t seen _Clone Wars_ – I’ll have to get off my ass and pick up the DVD before Ep3 comes out. Does he really have pointy teeth in it? The only pic I can find is [this wee one](http://forum.hermespalace.co.uk/html/avatars/Clone_Wars_Avatars/Darth_Sidious.jpg) which isn’t very helpful. Sidious’ teeth aren’t visible in Ep1 or Ep2 – and it’s pretty clear that the major differences in Palpatine/Sidious appearance are sartorial choices, facial expression, and lighting, as his [mugshot](http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/darthsidious/img/eu_bg.jpg) on [Starwars.com](http://Starwars.com) shows. ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2005, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-iii-revenge-of-the-sith-primer/295827/45 "2005-03-25T21:56:17Z")
There is Clone Wars season 1, on DVD. This is the new series, showing for the first time this week on cartoon network. Yes, he has some pretty messed up teeth, especially compared to Palpatine. The picture you show isn’t the full makeup shot: just a test shot. And are Sidious’s teeth not visible in Ep1 and 2? I thought that was ALL that was visible. But then, I can’t remember exactly. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2005, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-iii-revenge-of-the-sith-primer/295827/46 "2005-03-25T22:32:49Z")
I’m guessing the teeth thing w/ Clone Wars is a serious continuity error, then. (I’m sure George will get around to having it fixed. Sloppy SOB. :D) > [@](#): > > The picture you show isn’t the full makeup shot: just a test shot. If so, then Sidious is unique amongst Star Wars characters in being shown in an “unfinished” state in the [Starwars.com ‘databank.’](http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/) (The mugshots are often publicity stills with portrait studio lighting, but they are uniformly representative of the _character_ – there are no revealing omissions. I thought that there was one exception to this – Deathstick peddlar [Elan Sleazebaggano](http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/elansleazebaggano/img/eu_bg.jpg). (That’s right, his name’s Sleazebaggano – a new low.) Anyway, the “behind the scenes” tab says "Literature that includes pictures of the actor without the CG antennae explains away their absence by noting that the flexible extremities could be concealed under hair. " Cheap, but whaddya gonna do? There’s no additional make-up in the [movie still of Sidious](http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/darthsidious/img/movie_bg.jpg), just the sinister atmospheric lighting and the holo effect added in post-production. You don’t see his teeth because the scene is top-lit, and they’re in deep shadow, like his eyes. ---
**Author:** ![Soapbox\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Soapbox\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Soapbox_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2005, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-iii-revenge-of-the-sith-primer/295827/47 "2005-03-25T23:38:03Z")
> [@Apos](#): > > It’s so obvious that it’s stupid: Sidious is Palpatine. No, it isn’t _stupidly_ obvious. It’s just plain obvious. Lucas has never tried to keep it a secret from those who know Star Wars and are paying attention to the prequels. And the simple fact that this thread exists shows that some people were not. ---
**Author:** ![Soapbox\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Soapbox\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Soapbox_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2005, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-iii-revenge-of-the-sith-primer/295827/48 "2005-03-25T23:41:56Z")
> [@Apos](#): > > There is Clone Wars season 1, on DVD. This is the new series, showing for the first time this week on cartoon network. Yes, he has some pretty messed up teeth, especially compared to Palpatine. > > The picture you show isn’t the full makeup shot: just a test shot. > > And are Sidious’s teeth not visible in Ep1 and 2? I thought that was ALL that was visible. But then, I can’t remember exactly. And the Clone Wars cartoon takes precedence over the actual movies? The movies in which Sidious and Palpatine are played by the exact same actor and they look completely identical (who’da thunk that someone would look like themself, huh)? ---
**Author:** ![toadspittle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c0e974/32.png) [@toadspittle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/toadspittle)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2005, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-iii-revenge-of-the-sith-primer/295827/49 "2005-03-25T23:59:11Z")
> [@Maeglin](#): > > I love you all, but I wonder what planet you are on. Phantom does _not_ mean unseen. A phantom is an allusion, an apparition, something you actually see but is not actually real. It is elusive, or even downright fake. The original contention that the Trade Federation is the phantom menace is unambiguously correct. Palpatine is the real menace, not the phantom menace. I stand corrected. Excellent point. (you too, Larry.) And having just seen Chapter 25 of Clone Wars … I now actually WANT to see Ep. 3–the animated series has made me forget all of my dread, completely. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2005, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-iii-revenge-of-the-sith-primer/295827/50 "2005-03-26T01:25:18Z")
> [@Larry Mudd](#): > > (That’s right, his name’s Sleazebaggano – a new low.) Actually, I think [Kit Fisto](http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/kitfisto/) is worse. We’re just one step away from characters named after kinky sex acts, kids… ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2005, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-iii-revenge-of-the-sith-primer/295827/51 "2005-03-26T03:41:13Z")
> [@rjung](#): > > Actually, I think [Kit Fisto](http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/kitfisto/) is worse. We’re just one step away from characters named after kinky sex acts, kids… Oh, come on! That fine tradition was established with Han Solo and Leia Organa. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2005, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-iii-revenge-of-the-sith-primer/295827/52 "2005-03-26T04:48:13Z")
I guess it is just Clone War’s mistake from looking at that still. Still, it wouldn’t be too surprising to find that Palpatine uses some sort of method to cover up some sort of decay-induced nastiness. I mean, this is a guy who in Empire was played by an old woman with an organutan’s eyes. 🙂 Otherwise, what’s the big deal about seeing him without his hood? ---
**Author:** ![DataZak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ea666f/32.png) [@DataZak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DataZak)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2005, 10:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-iii-revenge-of-the-sith-primer/295827/53 "2005-03-26T10:29:26Z")
> [@Apos](#): > > Otherwise, what’s the big deal about seeing him without his hood? Nothing much. Just a bald headed guy with red eyes, wrinkly face and bad teeth. I actually prefer the hooded look. ---
**Author:** ![Murcielago](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/da6949/32.png) [@Murcielago](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Murcielago)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2005, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-iii-revenge-of-the-sith-primer/295827/54 "2005-03-28T00:11:10Z")
> [@Captain Amazing](#): > > Republic=the galactic government, supported by > The Jedi, guardians of the Republic, who take orders from > Palpatine,the Chancellor of the Republic… Slight correction. The Jedi Council are bound to the Senate, not to the Chancellor. This is the case even after the expansion of the Chancellor’s authority. This is an important distinction in both the Episode III Audio Book and in the Graphic Novel, I assume it will be a factor in the movie. ---
**Author:** ![Cardinal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardinal/32/4000_2.png) [@Cardinal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardinal)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2005, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-iii-revenge-of-the-sith-primer/295827/55 "2005-03-28T06:55:29Z")
> [@Captain Amazing](#): > > Snip > > Of course, as we know, and our heroes don’t, this is all part of Palpatine’s plan. Palpatine corrupted Dooku and turned him to the dark side. He then had Dooku murder a Jedi Knight and impersonate him to order a clone army, and then talk the disgruntled systems into rebelling. Why did Palpatine do this? This way he gets an army loyal to him, and also an outside enemy to rally the people around and let him increase the power of the Chancellor’s office in the name of national security. Thank God someone finally put that into clear language. I saw Ep II with four certified geeks, I have an actual college degree, and when we left, no one knew the political plot of that movie. Lucas has simply lost his movie mind. ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2005, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-iii-revenge-of-the-sith-primer/295827/56 "2005-03-29T03:47:59Z")
I don’t know that the plot is bad or too confusing. It’s the really acting that was painful, and the lack of a real Han Solo character/talent. The characters are either too clinical, or too goofy, with no dashing hero to follow other than Anakin, who sucked as a child and sucks as a adolescent as well. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-iii-revenge-of-the-sith-primer/295827.md?page=2)