To me, of course. Also incidentally to the friend I went to see it with. And I was rather surprised when I learned that few people agreed with me.
Remember, Chronos. It did $620 million domestic. It’s #4 all time in Science Fiction Action. It did $1.3B worldwide.
There’s this perception that it was somehow unpopular. That’s nonsense. Anytime I see someone say ‘a lot of people’ I know it’s pretty likely that be an unrepresentative sample.
It’s like an old assistant of mine in 2012 who told me she knew Obama wouldn’t win re-election because no one she knew was going to vote for him. Of course she didn’t; she was an upper middle class white woman from South Carolina. It’s likely she didn’t actually know anyone who would vote for him. She was still wrong then.
It’s a noisy batch of fanboys badmouthing it. But it did something new and both critics - with their reviews - and the audience - with their dollars - rewarded it. Don’t be deceived by a noisy minority.
A lot of people attribute the failure of Solo (400m total gross) to people hating TLJ instead of the fact that it released sandwiched in a one week window between Infinity War and Deathpool 2.
Has nothing to do with what I want and everything to do with actually taking a chance. I would have been okay with any ending that actually took a chance. That’s one example that wouldn’t have required any other major changes to the plot and wouldn’t have deprived us of anything significant. There are many other ways it could have happened that would have been infinitely better than what we got.
The movie was bloated, the plot was murky, the whole section at Canto Bight was a waste of time and added absolutely nothing. Pacing was horrid and sections of the movie dragged. You can keep trying to defend that, but saying “that’s not a valid criticism” isn’t going to convince me.
Well, I am in an online community with a lot of science fiction writers (thousands, but I’ve only personally communicated with hundreds and met dozens of them face to face at conferences) and it isn’t unanimous of course, but it is somewhere around 2/3 who think the movie stank. It has nothing to do with politics or “social justice” or any of that shit as they run the gamut from anarcho-libertarians to self-proclaimed socialists. It has to do with plotting, pacing and character building.
I also have a circle of friends locally who I discuss movies with and none of them liked it, but that might be skewed because we’ve hung around together for so long, our tastes may just be aligned particularly.
The only person in my local area I’ve met who even halfway liked it was my son’s ex-girlfriend and even she was kind of blah on it.
Your opinion is your own, and fine to have, but it’s no better or more “legitimate” than that of those of us who loved it.
Nonsense. He’s citing a bunch of authorities–thousand of writers on an unnamed board–who agree with him, so he’s gotta be right! Forget all the published reviews that we can actually cite. That unnamed community trumps them all.
The only valid criticisms i can take seriously are the ones that don’t equally apply to the original trilogy, and they are few and far between.
No stop trying to be the victim. It doesn’t suit you. I was responding to someone who said they were surprised other people didn’t like the movie. I was telling my experience. If it doesn’t match yours, well, that’s the point, isn’t it?
I’ma name some authors instead.
(Dickinson wrote The Traitor Baru Cormorant, one of the most accomplished fantasy novels of the past five years IMO).
From other sources:
Froma long and nuanced review, the bottom line:
I’m sure RikWriter’s unnamed forum has some crankypants authors who didn’t like it, but when I googled “Science Fiction Authors Review The Last Jedi,” I got authors who really did like it, and then when I looked for specific excellent authors, I got more praise for it.
Edit: “Stop trying to be the victim”? What the what? That’s bordering on word salad. You may as well contempuously tell me to stop juggling the Weimeraner for all the relevance of the comment.
Name all the authors you want. The point was, there is a sizable amount of people who don’t like it. It’s not just a tiny minority as some here have claimed. It’s NOT universally liked, no matter how much you want to convince yourself it is. You KNOW that was the point. it was obvious. You’re ignoring it because you don’t want to accept it. Sorry.
Who has argued that it’s “universally liked”?
I couldn’t find any comments by any other Hugo nominees from last year, but in looking around, I’m finding a few other quotes by published SF authors:
Award-winner and HBO-series-head Nnedi Okorafor: --well, you kinda gotta see it yourself, it’s a meme.
Do you mind quoting just a single person whom you’ve interpreted as making this claim? Just one.
I accept your apology, but since you’re apologizing for some bonkers thing I didn’t say, can I accept it instead as an apology for your suggestion that roughly 2/3 of science fiction authors didn’t like it?
I mean, I know that’s not precisely what you said, but that sure was your implication.
Of course I know it’s not universally liked. That’s an entirely different point, and one that I’ll concede, in the same way that I’ll concede that water is wet.
But your attempt to buttress your criticisms of the movie by trying to place the bulk of published SF authors on your side is absurd. Apology accepted.
There is certainly a lot of mindless hate desperately trying to cling to ridiculous reasons thrown at this movie.
No, that wasn’t the implication either. But good try. You keep going, maybe someday you’ll stumble upon it.
And as for the quote I believe someone said very recently something to the effect of how it was “unambiguously clear that The Last Jedi was better than The Force Awakens.”
Please. Chronos posted “And I thought that it was unambiguously clear…”
Your truncation of the quote changes its meaning.
TLJ was terrible because it left plot holes in the saga that a star cruiser couldn’t cross, not because they were “taking it in a new direction”. Abandoning the Sith And Jedi cults and replacing it with individual force users on varying scales of light-dark referenced by Rey-Ren with their great chemistry and their frenemy status would be a welcome and believable change. That evolution had a sloppy transition.
I don’t really care what anyone else thinks. I loved The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi, and I’m pretty sure I’ll love this too. I also loved Rogue One and liked Solo a lot. I’m looking forward to any Star Wars whatsoever in the future, including Rian Johnson’s trilogy.
I say this as someone who was so obsessed with the original Star Wars (ok, A New Hope, if I must) that I saw it over 100 times on the big screen (counting both theaters and Drive-Ins) when it was originally released. I even met Mark Hamill (with stars in my eyes) and gave him a present. It was a book about comic books that he probably already had, but he was sweet, kind, and gracious, and gave me a hug. swoon
These are good arguments. I support these arguments, even if I disagreed (and in this case I do not disagree - I loved the movie despite them). But these are not what you listed earlier as your reasons why you didn’t like it. You originally listed what you hoped for and expected and didn’t get, not what was actually on screen.