# Star Wars Episode VII anticipation thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 23, 2013, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-vii-anticipation-thread/666936 "2013-08-23T02:11:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 37
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2015, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-vii-anticipation-thread/666936/721 "2015-10-23T14:02:30Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Everything I’ve read about the Star Wars universe since Disney bought indicates that the prequel movies are still completely in continuity. But if it were _possible_ to watch the new movies without seeing (or with ignoring) the prequels–and to maintain notions of an indeterminate, mysterious hypothetical backstory to the original movie–that would be a big asset. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2015, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-vii-anticipation-thread/666936/722 "2015-10-23T14:09:54Z")
> [@GESancMan](#): > > I don’t think this idea has come up yet in this thread, but I don’t really feel like going over this entire thing again… > > Perhaps it turns out that Kylo Ren sought out Luke, who agreed to train him. Then Kylo went over to the dark side, and now Luke feels like a failure, and refuses to train anyone else. So when Rey and/or Flinn find Luke, he says “get outta here, kid.” > > I’m under the impression that Luke won’t show up in the film until the last few minutes. So maybe a plot point of part VIII will be convincing Luke to train the kids, for the good of the galaxy and all that. I definitely think we will be lucky if we get more than 5 minutes of Luke. It might be less than that, even. I have heard he is filming episode VIII right now, though. I have to think he spends quite a bit more time in that one, perhaps agreeing to train someone again. ---
**Author:** ![GESancMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gesancman/32/2923_2.png) [@GESancMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GESancMan)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2015, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-vii-anticipation-thread/666936/723 "2015-10-23T18:25:14Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > See post [#641.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18790012&postcount=641) 😉 Bah, and it wasn’t even that long ago. I guess I know where the idea came from… ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2015, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-vii-anticipation-thread/666936/724 "2015-10-23T18:47:11Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Everything I’ve read about the Star Wars universe since Disney bought indicates that the prequel movies are still completely in continuity. And this has been confirmed by some of the new stuff Disney has come out with since then. _Star Wars: Rebels_ started bringing back characters from the Clone Wars cartoon last season, and looks like it’s stepping it up in season two: > > In last season’s finale, they brought back Ahsoka, Anakin’s apprentice, and in the season premiere last week, they introduced a bunch of retired clone troopers who had been characters in the earlier cartoon. That’s all fine, Rex is cool. But nothing at all about The Force Awakens looks like those first three movies. This looks like a sequel to Return of the Jedi, and I’m fine with that. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2015, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-vii-anticipation-thread/666936/725 "2015-10-23T20:17:37Z")
I really, _really_ hope we get more than just five minutes of Luke, and that he doesn’t turn to the Dark Side. That would totally suck. > [@Mahaloth](#): > > …I have not watched the prequels in a long time. Didn’t Dooku, Sidious, or someone remove Kamino from the records? It’s more that no one has heard of it or noticed its disappearance. Yes, it was purposeful IIRC. I forget whodunnit. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2015, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-vii-anticipation-thread/666936/726 "2015-10-24T04:20:24Z")
> [@Frodo](#): > > Al these problems with the in-universe population recognition or lack thereof of the Jedi are problems with the plot of the prequels not the next movie. > The OT clearly showed that Jedis were thought as an ancient religion that was probably mistical nonsense (Han Solo plainly says it, and so does the imperial officer Vader force-chokes). Then in the prequel we get nonsense like thousands of Jedi and them being recognized everywhere and all that jazz. If you ignore the prequels, as any rational person would ;), the problem goes away. Jedis were a myth in the OT and so they continue to be in “The Force Awakens”. Only in the minds of overgrown fanboys. In the same trilogy, Jabba recognises quickly that Luke is not a real Jedi and also that he is using a Jedi mind trick. Obi Wan clearly states that the Jedi were instrument of the Old Republic. The mission briefing in the first movie ends with, “may the force be with you”. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2015, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-vii-anticipation-thread/666936/727 "2015-10-24T04:52:22Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Only in the minds of overgrown fanboys. In the same trilogy, Jabba recognises quickly that Luke is not a real Jedi and also that he is using a Jedi mind trick. Obi Wan clearly states that the Jedi were instrument of the Old Republic. The mission briefing in the first movie ends with, “may the force be with you”. That’s not actually in conflict with what **Frodo** wrote. Most people thinking the Jedis are a lot of nonsense is not incompatible with some people (particularly people with connections and power) knowing what the real deal was with them. Of course, by the same measure, there’s nothing incompatible with people in the OT not knowing much about Jedi, and the way they’re portrayed in the prequels. Galaxies are big places, and in real life, most people have trouble keeping up with everything happening on the planet they’ve spent their whole life on. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2015, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-vii-anticipation-thread/666936/728 "2015-10-24T13:37:20Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Only in the minds of overgrown fanboys. In the same trilogy, Jabba recognises quickly that Luke is not a real Jedi and also that he is using a Jedi mind trick. Obi Wan clearly states that the Jedi were instrument of the Old Republic. The mission briefing in the first movie ends with, “may the force be with you”. I’ll concede that Jabba’s actions go against what I said, but the “may the force…” saying is just a religious/spiritual/cultural thing, I say “adios” to people when leaving but I’m an atheist. Frodo, Proud to be an overgrown fanboy :). ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2015, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-vii-anticipation-thread/666936/729 "2015-10-24T14:51:54Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > That’s not actually in conflict with what **Frodo** wrote. Most people thinking the Jedis are a lot of nonsense is not incompatible with some people (particularly people with connections and power) knowing what the real deal was with them. > > Of course, by the same measure, there’s nothing incompatible with people in the OT not knowing much about Jedi, and the way they’re portrayed in the prequels. Galaxies are big places, and in real life, most people have trouble keeping up with everything happening on the planet they’ve spent their whole life on. So to further what you wrote; in the OT, most of the characters who we see are either lower level people (Luke, Han, etc), or those higher levels who would not have seen Jedi in their professional life (Leia), while in the PT, most of the characters are political leaders who deal with the Jedi or Jedi themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2015, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-vii-anticipation-thread/666936/730 "2015-10-24T15:17:31Z")
I really appreciate the secrecy for this movie. I still know very little about what will actually happen and I can’t wait to see something completely fresh in the theater. I saw Indy 4 without knowing much, either. I know it is an unpopular view, but I really like that movie and it was a lot of fun seeing something fresh. Even liking that movie, I hope they did a lot better with this than they did with that. It was good, not great. I hope this is great. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2015, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-vii-anticipation-thread/666936/731 "2015-10-24T15:44:28Z")
I think we’re about ready to make our last minute predictions. We have less than 2 months before release and I imagine internet spoilers will go nuts even quicker. I’m sure some charity screenings and so forth will begin in early December. I predict: **1. Luke is in this less than 5 minutes. 2. Rey and Kylo Ren are brother and sister. 3. Han Solo dies - bold prediction, but I’m going for it 4. Both Rey and Finn have the “force awaken” in them. Future Jedi. 5. Kylo Ren’s redemption will be setup as the story-arc.** You? I’m not sure what else, plot-wise, to predict. I expect that since JJ Abrams is good at pilots for TV shows, this will actually be quite good. I’m glad he is stepping aside and letting others make the final two movies, though. And I’m glad Lawrence Kasden is there to make sure things are good all the way through. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2015, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-vii-anticipation-thread/666936/732 "2015-10-24T17:16:40Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I think we’re about ready to make our last minute predictions. We have less than 2 months before release and I imagine internet spoilers will go nuts even quicker. I’m sure some charity screenings and so forth will begin in early December. > > I predict: > > \*\*1. Luke is in this less than 5 minutes. Probably. He won’t be on long, but I trust Hamill to make it memorable. > [@](#): > > 1. Rey and Kylo Ren are brother and sister. :mad::eek: Enough with the long lost reletive trope. Let Rey be Obi Wan’s bastard daughter, that might be better. > [@](#): > > 1. Han Solo dies - bold prediction, but I’m going for it Likely, but too predictable. Maybe they can have his fate be ambiguous like in ESB? > [@](#): > > 1. Both Rey and Finn have the “force awaken” in them. Future Jedi. I would say that is a certainty. > [@](#): > > 1. Kylo Ren’s redemption will be setup as the story-arc For fucks sake no. Lets have something new. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2015, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-vii-anticipation-thread/666936/733 "2015-10-24T18:54:35Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Let Rey be Obi Wan’s bastard daughter, that might be better. Probably impossible. Rey looks way too young (the actress is 23). Do we know how much time has passed, in-story, between _A New Hope_ and _The Force Awakens_? ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2015, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-vii-anticipation-thread/666936/734 "2015-10-24T20:25:27Z")
Who knows how long Alien pregnancies last. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2015, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-vii-anticipation-thread/666936/735 "2015-10-24T23:21:09Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > Probably impossible. Rey looks way too young (the actress is 23). Do we know how much time has passed, in-story, between _A New Hope_ and _The Force Awakens_? It’s supposed to be about thirty years since the end of _Jedi_, so closer to forty for _Star Wars_. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2015, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-vii-anticipation-thread/666936/736 "2015-10-25T00:55:24Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I think we’re about ready to make our last minute predictions. We have less than 2 months before release and I imagine internet spoilers will go nuts even quicker. I’m sure some charity screenings and so forth will begin in early December. > > I predict: > > **1. Luke is in this less than 5 minutes. > 2. Rey and Kylo Ren are brother and sister. > 3. Han Solo dies - bold prediction, but I’m going for it > 4. Both Rey and Finn have the “force awaken” in them. Future Jedi. > 5. Kylo Ren’s redemption will be setup as the story-arc.** > > You? > > I’m not sure what else, plot-wise, to predict. I expect that since JJ Abrams is good at pilots for TV shows, this will actually be quite good. I’m glad he is stepping aside and letting others make the final two movies, though. And I’m glad Lawrence Kasden is there to make sure things are good all the way through. I’m pretty much down with the same predictions other than Han dying. He should die in a blaze of glory, but I hope it’s in IX. I think we won’t see Luke until close to the end of VII. One thing I’m grateful for, no CG Chewbacca. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2015, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-vii-anticipation-thread/666936/737 "2015-10-26T14:50:24Z")
“Luke goes to the Dark Side” was already done in the EU, and despite a lot of people praising _Dark Empire_, I found it kind of silly. I doubt they will go there. Though if they do, the only way I wouldn’t object is if Luke starts wearing clown makeup, gets a purple 3-piece suit, and dyes his hair green. Considering Abrams’s apparent love of referencing the past and flipping it around backwards (see _Into Darkness_…), I fully expect Leia to tell Rey, “No, I am your mother” or Kylo Ren to tell Luke, “No, I am your son.” I’m kind of dreading it, actually… ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2015, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-vii-anticipation-thread/666936/738 "2015-10-26T14:59:46Z")
> [@gonzoron](#): > > “Luke goes to the Dark Side” was already done in the EU, and despite a lot of people praising _Dark Empire_, I found it kind of silly. I doubt they will go there. Though if they do, the only way I wouldn’t object is if Luke starts wearing clown makeup, gets a purple 3-piece suit, and dyes his hair green. > > Considering Abrams’s apparent love of referencing the past and flipping it around backwards (see _Into Darkness_…), I fully expect Leia to tell Rey, “No, I am your mother” or Kylo Ren to tell Luke, “No, I am your son.” I’m kind of dreading it, actually… Haha oh shit you’re right. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2015, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-vii-anticipation-thread/666936/739 "2015-10-26T15:21:41Z")
Abrams fucked ST:TOS in the ass. I am dreading what he’ll do to Star Wars. Ok, the movie was good and enjoyable, but The Kirk in the film has little resemblance to the actual original character. The brooding captain has been replaced with the guy with three alien STDs. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2015, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-episode-vii-anticipation-thread/666936/740 "2015-10-26T16:02:37Z")
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