# Star Wars geeks - is the Marvel comics series canon? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 7, 2005, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-geeks-is-the-marvel-comics-series-canon/298252 "2005-04-07T17:16:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2005, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-geeks-is-the-marvel-comics-series-canon/298252/1 "2005-04-07T17:16:46Z")
What the OP asked. I’m pretty sure the Novels and the Dark Horse comics are considered canonical. What about the Marvel Comics series that lasted over 100 issues from 1977 through 1985 (or so)? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2005, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-geeks-is-the-marvel-comics-series-canon/298252/2 "2005-04-07T17:18:42Z")
So far as I know, they’re treated the same as all the other EU stuff. It’s canon, unless or until it is directly contradicted by something in the movies. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2005, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-geeks-is-the-marvel-comics-series-canon/298252/3 "2005-04-07T17:21:15Z")
Which is, to my thinking, as entirely half-assed as anything the world has ever developed. ---
**Author:** ![Sweetums](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Sweetums](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sweetums)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2005, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-geeks-is-the-marvel-comics-series-canon/298252/4 "2005-04-07T17:45:59Z")
I kind of doubt that most of them are considered canon by most people, like much of Star Wars, they ran from horrid (Giant green rabbits) to rather good (the later Mary Jo Duffy issues, had some good ideas, but Lucas decided to hobble them, Luke wasn’t allowed to train new Jedi, no Han and Leia romance etc. basicly the univers was put on hold). ``` Still play the Knights of the old Republic game, and you will notice mention of races (Zeltrons, Nagi) who made their first appearance in Marvel comics. ``` ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2005, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-geeks-is-the-marvel-comics-series-canon/298252/5 "2005-04-07T18:13:29Z")
I liked the big green rabbit. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2005, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-geeks-is-the-marvel-comics-series-canon/298252/6 "2005-04-07T18:24:27Z")
Me too. He kicked ass. Heck, he kicked all kinds of body parts. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2005, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-geeks-is-the-marvel-comics-series-canon/298252/7 "2005-04-07T18:33:21Z")
Now, I can see reason why something that the editors doen’t like not being cannon, but why not Star Wars? Unlike other fandoms, (transformers, Doctor Who, historical figures), mentioning it as having happened in the big book o’ cannon will not interfear with anything. After all, it does not take place in the future, or the present, put in the past, and it doe not involve earth. So what’s the problem? ---
**Author:** ![Cliffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/59ef9b/32.png) [@Cliffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cliffy)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2005, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-geeks-is-the-marvel-comics-series-canon/298252/8 "2005-04-07T18:43:42Z")
FYI, this series has been reprinted in a series of seven big fat color volumes from Dark Horse. –Cliffy ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2005, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-geeks-is-the-marvel-comics-series-canon/298252/9 "2005-04-07T18:46:37Z")
He means Star Wars canon, not Marvel canon. Of course, Star Wars seriously contradicts the Marvel universe, so it’s entirely non-canon there, too. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2005, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-geeks-is-the-marvel-comics-series-canon/298252/10 "2005-04-07T18:55:34Z")
I misunderstood the cannon question, however, I don’t understand: > [@Tengu](#): > > Of course, Star Wars seriously contradicts the Marvel universe, so it’s entirely non-canon there, too. How? Ilike I said: > [@Scott\_plaid](#): > > Unlike other fandoms, (transformers, Doctor Who, historical figures), mentioning it as having happened in the big book o’ cannon will not interfear with anything. After all, it does not take place in the future, or the present, put in the past, and it doe not involve earth. So what’s the problem? ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2005, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-geeks-is-the-marvel-comics-series-canon/298252/11 "2005-04-07T19:20:43Z")
Scott if you don’t stop putting the extra N in “canon” God is going to start killing kittens. You have been warned. > [@Cliffy](#): > > FYI, this series has been reprinted in a series of seven big fat color volumes from Dark Horse. I got the first of these a couple years ago from a discount reseller. I meant to give it to my brother for Christmas that year (he’s a SW geek sort of and had - and may still have - some of the original issues) but somehow it hasn’t managed to make its way under the tree. Because then I wouldn’t have it any more. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2005, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-geeks-is-the-marvel-comics-series-canon/298252/12 "2005-04-07T19:31:07Z")
The Marvel Universe isn’t restricted to present day Earth. It covers the entire cosmos right back to the universe that existed BEFORE the present one. There’s nowhere for Star Wars to fit. Ironically, if it WERE in the future, it could be placed in the Marvel U since Marvel’s future history only expands out another thousand or so years. ---
**Author:** ![Cliffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/59ef9b/32.png) [@Cliffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cliffy)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2005, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-geeks-is-the-marvel-comics-series-canon/298252/13 "2005-04-07T19:33:11Z")
Instead you’re going to give them to _me_, right, ol’ pal? –Cliffy ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2005, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-geeks-is-the-marvel-comics-series-canon/298252/14 "2005-04-07T19:35:26Z")
I would think that the more recent stuff is ore canon than previous stuff, if only because Lucas has taken care to talk to the authors about what can and cannot happen, as well as feeding them plot points that play into his plans in the movies. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2005, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-geeks-is-the-marvel-comics-series-canon/298252/15 "2005-04-07T19:40:03Z")
Ca **nn** on. Got it. I certainly don’t want those pore kittens to die. How ever, I wouldn’t mind a few less [Domokuns.](http://carcino.gen.nz/images/image.php/16b0039a/think-of-the-domokun.jpg&cb=20030927020448) Tengu, is there no room in there for, "a galactic empire threaten anyone, but not affecting earth in anyway? I guess not. Too bad. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2005, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-geeks-is-the-marvel-comics-series-canon/298252/16 "2005-04-07T23:49:03Z")
> [@Tengu](#): > > The Marvel Universe isn’t restricted to present day Earth. > > It covers the entire cosmos right back to the universe that existed BEFORE the present one. There’s nowhere for Star Wars to fit. > > Ironically, if it WERE in the future, it could be placed in the Marvel U since Marvel’s future history only expands out another thousand or so years. Why wouldn’t it fit? Star Wars happened long ago in galaxy far away. What’s the problem there? If a character from Star Wars ever were to interact with a regular Marvel character you can just throw in some time traveling and/or alternate universe stuff. Anything can be part of the Marvel universe, so far as I know. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2005, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-geeks-is-the-marvel-comics-series-canon/298252/17 "2005-04-08T03:30:50Z")
> [@Scott\_plaid](#): > > Ca **nn** on. Got it. Now you’re doing it on purpose. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2005, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-geeks-is-the-marvel-comics-series-canon/298252/18 "2005-04-08T12:44:41Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Why wouldn’t it fit? Star Wars happened long ago in galaxy far away. What’s the problem there? If a character from Star Wars ever were to interact with a regular Marvel character you can just throw in some time traveling and/or alternate universe stuff. Anything can be part of the Marvel universe, so far as I know. Again: The Marvel universe isn’t just 20-21st century Earth. ‘Long long ago, in a galaxy far far away’ is not an undefined point in the Marvel Universe. The Star Wars universe would have gotten the attention of Galactus, or the Watchers, or the Living Tribunal, or any of the other beings who came into existance with, or before, the universe ---
**Author:** ![Cliffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/59ef9b/32.png) [@Cliffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cliffy)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2005, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-geeks-is-the-marvel-comics-series-canon/298252/19 "2005-04-08T13:34:02Z")
You’re both right. There’s an unrecognized equivocation in the term “universe.” It can mean both the whole of the cosmos and, in comcis terms, it can mean all series in continuity with each other, even if they take place in different cosmoses, like all the pre-Crisis earths the JLA visited or all the alternate worlds the Exiles go to. Star Wars is probably not in the same cosmos as Spidey’s New York City or the Kree Empire, but there’s no reason to say it’s not in the same multiverse – if Marvel ever gets the rights back, you know there’ll be a Wolverine crossover. –Cliffy ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2005, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-geeks-is-the-marvel-comics-series-canon/298252/20 "2005-04-08T14:06:40Z")
> [@](#): > > The Marvel Universe isn’t restricted to present day Earth. > > It covers the entire cosmos right back to the universe that existed BEFORE the present one. There’s nowhere for Star Wars to fit. It might. But even so, it doesn’t neccessarily mean they’d show up as often as they do on earth. I’m not saying it _is_ in the STAR WArs universe, but I see no real problem with it being there. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/star-wars-geeks-is-the-marvel-comics-series-canon/298252.md?page=2)